Pups sold on limited or full registration - difference is price? - Page 11

too much junk being bred here - the Germans send us their culls to use in breeding, the AKC show people have practically created a new breed that doesn't resemble a GSD in looks or character, and we kill millions of dogs a year who are unwanted.  

If I want a pet, I will buy one and the paperwork being limited is no big deal - I don't want to neuter it at 4 mo or any of that kind of order from the breeder, but if it is a pet - and I agree not to breed it, I don't have a problem.

If I want to breed, I want a titled dog with good hips.  I want to BUY a pup from a titled dog with good hips - so it is pretty hypocritical to insist on open papers to breed a dog without it. 

Probably half the ads in the classifieds are for pups from dogs without koers and/or titles.  BHs are not breeding titles but all kinds of so called respected breeders are breeding females with BHs - guess that is better than nothing, but it waters down the quality IMO

Yea Drew, I agree. I mistakenly put a deposit on a supposedly "top class Litter" where everyone in the pedigree was kored except the mother,  (Had to read the missing print) I felt sick for a while. but learned a lesson. I still would not purchase any with limited paperwork, seems shady from the start.

What's shady about it?  You have full "Ownership" of your dog, what limited registration means, and ONLY means, is that should you breed that dog and have puppies, those puppies cannot be registered with AKC.  You end up with unpapered offspring, and why shouldn't you?  If the standard means so little to you, you shouldn't be breeding in the first place.  Don't propagate the decline of our breed!

Give the AKC a call if you have doubts, and they will alleviate any concerns you have about their willingness to honor the conditions of the contract concerning limited registration.  But then, it may not apply in your case anyway because few breeders impose these standards, and you can get your BYB stock easily elsewhere.  Personally, I'd rather have a pup from titled parents with healthy hips and no papers, than a pup with papers out of questionable ablility and health.

I understand your point. but I would not purchase an AKC GSD. To me AKC = indiscrimnate breeding = you have a "nice" dog and I have a "nice" dog so Lets Have Pups! The SV has a very good standard of breeding and untill America adopt something similar I will not trust it for quality. I do understand why you do it. AKC standards is not good enough for my money.

Daryl-

Do you have any personal knowledge of  the AKC stepping in on dispute between breeder and owner regarding registration?  Call me cynical but I'm having a hard time accepting that the AKC that we all know and love so well would step in and do the right thing.

No, I don't.  And I wouldn't expect them to play the part of "mediator" either.  If the contract is clear, there should be no dispute.  If there's something in the contract that doesn't agree with you, discuss ammending or appending it with the breeder.  AKC reserves the right to revoke any registration they wish to, for any reason they want.

I sell my pups on limited registration.  In the past of course I've had people concerned about "what if something happens to me" and the paperwork to turn the registration to full is not able to be signed by myself (if I were to pass away for some reason) - there are options that may make the limited registration acceptable to those worried about "what ifs".  You can sell the pup on full registration and co-ownership - just have your name on the papers.  If they bred the dog they would need your signature to register the litter, unless you passed away, then full ownership would revert to the co-owner and only their signature would be needed.  Or, sign the papers for changing the limited to full, and keep them in a folder that is easy to find, something your family or colleagues would be able to find should something happen to you.  Then the papers are already signed, and the owners can get their full registration regardless if "something happens".  But I'm with Daryl - if someone is truly not going to buy a pup without full registration - it is only for one reason in my book - because they intend to breed it regardless of titles/hips.  In that case, they can simply go find another breeder, see ya later and good luck.

molly

Not always true.  But of course breeders have the right to sell under any circumstances they want just as buyers have the right to go elsewhere.

Every dog I own I bought with full registration.  I have yet to have a litter and Pepper was spayed as soon as I got a second opinion on her hip xrays.

To say that the only reason I would buy under full registration is to breed regardless of hips/xrays is just wrong. 

Quoting Daryl:

 "No, I don't.  And I wouldn't expect them to play the part of "mediator" either.  If the contract is clear, there should be no dispute.  If there's something in the contract that doesn't agree with you, discuss ammending or appending it with the breeder.  AKC reserves the right to revoke any registration they wish to, for any reason they want."

I want to say that I applaud breeders that sell under limited registration because it is putting your money where you mouth is.  I know you do lose sales over it.  I admire  that.

But still as a buyer, I'm not going to have something so important riding on the whims of someone else.  I handle the legal disputes for my company and no matter how clear the contract is we still end up in court.  I have heard of other breeders doing what Molly suggested and again that is just leaving to much to chance. 

Seriously though,  I do admire breeders that sell under limited registration.

WHAT???? what are you saying Betty?  ..........Yes, but No.....but yes....however NO! absolutely nnnn YYes!........ Ha Ha Ha  all in fun Betty!