Why Do People Breed GSD's W No Titles And KkLs???? - Page 12

 





by TessJ10 on 17 June 2009 - 13:06 TessJ10

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"Explain to me why, if these titles were soo important to the welfare and future of this breed, why then have we seen such decline in proper working ability and temperment in the breed today


There was someone on here a little while ago who went (bless her) for a BH and failed. Prior to that she would post the same things, like she didn't need to trial because she knew her precious pup could do anything. Well, apparently not. She found out that neither she nor precious pup were able to pass the most basic of tests. To her credit, she did try and hopefully will do the training and get it done, which will be to her and the dog's credit. But it really pointed out the difference between, oh, I don't need to get titles because I know what my dogs are capable of and those dogs who actually do the work and get the titles 
      FYI TessJ10-   I Am the one that failed the BH with my dog..NOT my dog. as anyone there at the trial could see, My DOG was "ALMOST" as good as the others there. I WAS THE ONE NOT ABLE TO TELL THE Difference between Right and Left    I 'll Guarantee my dog IS ALL THAT.
    My 'puppy-girl" above pic, is just 5 months. She's already started tracking, and has got the BH routine, down pat. She IS, "my breeding", she too, "Is ALL That!!!"



 

by KCzaja on 18 June 2009 - 16:06

If you actually read useful, informative posts, you would find that MANY experienced people here do not necesarily feel that what sits on the podium (sport or conformation) is what's really good for the breed


....and that "statement" above is exactly the type of "back-stabbing" CRAP that really says it all.   Is it because the so-called "Experienced" people/dogs never make it to the Podium?    I've been reading this Board for many months before registering to Post.   I've read all the snotty remarks about others' dogs -- "this one and that one didn't deserve to be the winner"  "did you see the poor bite work by that one" and on and on.   Who the hell are these so-called "experienced" people?   Maybe "they" should become a Judge.    Maybe it is you and your kind that is detrimental to the Breed and to the Sport.   The Losers always whine, disparage, and point fingers at the Winners.

This will be my last post on this.

I use an e-collar as well as other training collars..  Is it more abusive to give your dog a proper correction or to have it hit by a car or shot by a neighbor, or any other list of really bad things that can happen when a dog is not obedient.  That is not saying I'm abusive or don't love my dogs

There are many people in schutzhund whose dogs go everywhere with them and they  arewith family etc.

There are knowlegable people here but we have lost many  that used to post here. A lot has to do with people who argue just to argue.  In 15 years at different dog clubs there is way more drama here than all of the clubs i have been in combined

The first step to learning is finding out what you don't know and admit it.

I don't care what the sport or activity is if you want to learn it you need to try it for yourself- drop all preconcieved notions and open your mind

Question:   Are there any people who routinely post on this Board who have been on the Winner's PODIUM ?

You have a knack for twisting people's words, my dear.  When a VA dog has poor bitework, or a high scoring schutzhund dog is handler aggressive or not safe around people, I, personally, do not think that is good for the breed. How is that "back stabbing crap'? Where did I say that every dog who wins something is garbage? Some dogs who make it to the top are fabulous, some are not. It doesn't mean that the system should be abandoned, just that it isn't always used as the tool it was meant to be. You very pointedly asked how a dog winning something betters the breed, and when someone says it may not, you jump in and call them a backstabber?  You're ridiculous.

Either way, explaining anything to you is akin to nailing jello to a tree. You will never learn, because sticking to your unfounded opinions is cleary more important to you than bettering your knowledge of the breed you claim to love. Good day.

I have a question to add to this thread.
I know of a local breeder who has been breeding GSD for many,many years. None of her current breeding stock are titled but she does do OFA. This breeder has back issues and is an older lady and she finds that she just cant do all the training physically that it takes to get her dogs titled. An excuse? Maybe.
 I personally, know of people who have purchased pups from those untitled parents and most of those pups are great working dogs. There is a TD of a WDA club that is a repeat puppy buyer from this breeder. Also, another club member has bought a pup from this breeder. These two people only like pups that come out of the crate wanting it. The TD especially.  I heard this TD state first hand that he is in it to win. He has titled pups from this breeder in the past and currently has a nice female from her that he is very excited about. That one club member took his female to the recent big WDA show and got her titled.
 I am not condoning this breeder for not titling her own breeding stock but she knows her dogs and what they produce and sees many of the pups she has bred go on to get thier schutzhund/working titles.
 I am curious as to what everyones thoughts are on this breeder since her non titled dogs can and do produce great working dogs. Also, the parents of her breeding dogs are titled for the most part and the pedigrees are filled with all schutzhund titled dogs. I know this doesnt mean much and its more about the actual sire and dam of the puppies but just thought Id add that in.
Thanks for your thoughts!!
Donna

Maggie

I have not been on a podium.

I have worked with a few that have been there

Just because I have not attained the level of some of the others in my club does that mean that I have not learned from them? Maggie please answer that to me because I am really intereseted in your answer..

I thought my replies were polite, informative, and non argumetative.

Making the podium is nice but what schutzhund and dog sports should be about is YOU and YOUR dog and what you can achieve together.  I don't compete against anyone but myself and always wish the best to those around me ..If I have done my best than I have won more than any trophy.

Dave -- yes, your responses have always been polite/respectful.   I also don't recall reading any posts by you that have disparaged the Winners -- neither VA nor V.  

I am speaking of the Posters who think they "know it all" and what is best for the breed.   Apparently, many so-called "experts" on the Board do not think the Winners are contributing to the betterment of the Breed -- neither in conformation nor sport.   They like to disparage those that have made it to the Top.   

The SILENCE to my question says it all.   I was pretty sure that none had ever been on the Podium (and in all probability they never will).   It took me awhile, but I got the information I was seeking.

You, Dave, are an exception.  You wish the best to all  -- a wonderful trait and very rare today.   Good Luck to you and your dog.

I am not a breeder and do not aspire to be.  I enjoy owning dogs for my companionship and for training and trialing in a wide variety of sports (rally, agility, obedience, dog sport, schh, dock diving, herding, pet assisted therapy....).

When I look for a new dog, I want to see titles on the parents.  Not because I think the title actually speaks to the quality of the dog (maybe at a minimum level), but because it shows me that the breeder has invested their time and resources in the dogs and is willing to spend that much time with their dogs.  I won't buy a puppy out of dogs that no one can tell me about, and how can someone really *know* their dog's strengths and weaknesses if they've never gone through the process of training and titling that dog?  I mean, I've seen ads for dogs being "good protection dogs" because they bark at the door when a stranger comes.  Same dog has never done a day of real bitework or protection training and would probably tuck his tail and run if the helper came at him with a stick.  To me, trying to sell dogs without titles is like trying to sell a product I've never actually used.  It just makes no sense.

Along these lines, my preference is for breeders who do train and title their own dogs, not just buy titled dogs for breeding.  If someone is breeding to better the breed, then I need to see proof that they really are personally invested in the breed.  Buying an expensive titled stud dog and then breeding half a dozen bitches to that dog doesn't cut it for me.

If I can put titles on my no-drive, low energy mutt, then breeders who consider themselves reputable can put titles on their dogs.