Breed Standard Changes in UK (GSD and non-GSD) - Page 15

Misbeeb wrote

Nope, definately not... the English type is generally very long, heavy, with short legs and a soft back.  The photo Liebe posted (no offence to owner btw) was not that typical.  Quite a few working dogs still look similar tho'.

I would be very interested to see photos of this type of dog that had titles or sport //working background, AND A PEDIGREE TO MATCH  in my experience they do not have either the physical or mental abilities to work that is why without doubt they have become under the influence of their enthusiasts a DIFFERENT BREED

Funny thing, the handling style of bunching a dog up and dropping the back end by splaying the inner hind leg (propped into place by the handlers well placed foot),  making it look roached backed even if it wasn't, started in UK when exhibitors tried to make their long cast dogs look shorter in the back and disguise the short croups by "adding" some of the back to the length of the croup.  Pity that when the dogs proportions improved over time, the handling style didn't!

Margaret N-J
Old enough to remember when GSDs were not stacked, but walked into a natural stance and the handler stood behind on a long loose lead.

Videx wrote:
”This is why I strongly advocate a SPLIT between ALSATIONS and the German Shepherd Dog. Let us get these morons off our backs, let them have their English Alsations, and NEVER EVER let them (Alsations) cross breed with our German Shepherd Dogs. They can keep their LEVEL and DIPPY backs, their crap temperaments, their short front legs, their predominence of weak characters, their overbuilt forechests and all their health problems. THE GSD NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM ALSATIONS, IN THE SAME MANNER WE ARE SEPARATED FROM BELGIUM SHEPHERDS.” 

Hi All I’m new to this forum. Have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks only. I joined to LEARN MORE about GSD’s and always appreciate difference of opinion. The truth, I believe, always lays somewhere between the extremes and that is what I intend (hoped?) to try and find for myself in a balanced way – including the privilege of sharing in your experience. Some posts have served the purpose and enriched my knowledge. There are a few things however that are a real disappointment to me, one of which this thread is an example. I just can’t believe that people keep on quarrelling about something that clearly originates from a totally different approach. Either you’re a breeder and admirer of GERMAN Shepherds or you’re not… You love them the way the GERMANS created them or you don’t… To me that’s as simple as it is! The continual dueling between proposers of , which seems to me, TWO DIFFERENT BREEDS developed from the same root, is almost like breeders of Rottweilers and Dobermans arguing that the one should look like the other – totally senseless! Videx’s posting to me seems the only reasonable solution to a otherwise unsolvable dispute arising from two totally different points of departure…! The way things are now, nobody seems to be happy and I suppose never would be satisfied. The same applies to the continual derogatory demeanor of the so-called ‘working-line’ GSD’s followers towards the ‘showline’ people I can’t help to detect (actually more than detect – in truth am unstopping confronted with). Does a GSD really have to be ‘untypical” according to the German standard to be able to work properly? Why can’t it be all-in-one as I imagine it’s supposed to be? Again, to me it seems like comparing apples to pears when the ‘working-line’ people start pouring over about a.o. the ‘showline’s’ bitework. Nothing positive, everything negative. This way we would NEVER find one another, folks, and I think it’s high time to acknowledge the development of two different breeds. Something strange that comes to mind is that (as a newbie to the site) I’ve yet to find a post where ‘showline’ people are disparaging to the same degree about the appearance of most of the ‘workingline’ dogs I see on this site. I KNOW that I’m going to be burnt alive now by some posters, but that would just prove my point! Come on folks, there CAN ONLY be one GSD and that’s the one created by the Germans according to the German standard. Working line people, please call your dogs DDR’s OR WHATEVER and enjoy them – you’ve got to like what you see and enjoy what you do. Just give the GSD lovers a peaceful place in the sun to do the same. To each his own! gertv

 Gerty: An excellent post: It certainly emphasises many valid points, and brings very fair perspectives.

I have been informed there are some people who are reading this thread who do not know they can or should click on links. Therefore I have included two of the LINKS which illustrate the CLEAR difference between the GERMAN Shepherd Dog in Germany and the German shepherd dog the UK Kennel Club standard.

GERMAN shepherd Dog in Germany – SV the founders of our GSD breed
CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW
http://www.videxgsd.com/IMPRESSIONS_SIEGER_2007.htm

 

German Shepherd dog the UK Kennel Club GSD Standard.
CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/136

So, uh, how many different breeds do we split the GSD into?

GSD
Alsation [sic!]   (P.S. David, it would give your posts a bit more credibility if  you'd learn to SPELL the name properly!)

DDR/working lines

Czechoslovakian Shepherd

American Shepherd

White Shepherd

Long Coat Shepherd

Or how about splitting it up according to height, the way they do with the beagles?

I'm sure poor Max is rolling in his grave!