Importing Dogs on False Passports to UK & Ireland ( New Updates) - Page 2

Good work. Hope authorities wake up to this soon.

I dont see why people have to rush, I visited Germany in May to view a litter but unfortunately they were all sold. I also viewed a dog and bitch of a planned mating for this month, if all goes right with the pregnancy then they will be born in August with the pup coming to the UK in April 2009. The breeder is prepared to keep the pup the required length of time, so everything is done correctly, and I am also prepared to wait this length of time for the right pup out of lines I want.

Pam

Hi Pam,

It is important that you please note if your pup is born in August 08 it absolutely WILL NOT be ready to come into the UK in April 09.

1. It takes 7 mths from having the Rabies Vaccine before an animal can enter the UK and this is providing that the titre test show sufficient antibody levels in the blood taken 20 - 30 days after the Rabies jab.

2. The earliest your pup can be given the Rabies jab is 3 months of age (this is three Calender months as opposed to 12 weeks).

3. Therefore if your pup was born on say 10th Aug 08 the 10th Nov 08 is the very earliest it could have the Rabies injection, then providing the pup makes enough antibodies to pass the first titre test from blood taken lets say on 11th Dec 09 (some 21 days after the Rabies jab)  The earliest day your pup could enter the UK would be on 11th June 09.

Best Regards

Sue B

PS - Some might try to tell you that the pup can have the Rabies jab earlier than 3 months, but DEFRA rules states that for the administration of Rabies Injection to be valid, the animal must be AT LEAST 3 Calender Months of age at the time of the Rabies injection. Your vet can confirm all this for you. I know this because I have just gone through it all with two of my pups born in a litter last October. They had the Rabies jab as soon as was possible and their first titre test was OK , and the earliest they can come back into the UK (should they leave) is 19th August.

Sue is correct in what she says re Rabies vaccine. The vaccine companies also state that if the mother of the puppies has been vaccinated against rabies at any time then the puppies should not be vaccinated before they are 12weeks of age as maternal derived antibodies could interfere with response to vaccine.

Anyone bringing dogs into this Country on false pet passports should think long and hard about the consequences of your actions. Rabies kills not only dogs but wildlife and most importantly people. Do you really want to be responsible for the death of a child due to a rabies being introduced by a dog on a false passport. If this practice continue it could happen.

Linda B

Its great to see some things never change in our fantastic breed and the people in it, you try to do the right thing and alert people to a dangerous practice happening within our breed  and when you get a mail or PM with informative information then post it and remove the identity of the author they come back and tear into you for doing so, in case anyone has failed to notice this is a serious issue with serious consequences should it continue,if you have anything to say or add to this do not PM me and expect me to brush what you say under the carpet, the annonymous PM posted above simply exposes UK buyers and irish buyers as not being willing to wait the full duration for the issuance of a pet passport when purchasing dogs abroad as stated by the author of that original PM to me, based on their experiences.  Even though what they wrote to me pissed me off i will not publish their identity,all i will say is that there are some real unsavoury people in this breed who will resort to bully boy tactics with a woman by unsigned mails, how macho is that? Ive heard this goes on here and now i have sampled it first hand, if the person was stood in front of me know id give them one hell of a slap in the mouth to wake them up.......Grow up boys!

I have received a hell of alot of positive responses to this matter and with lots of people willing to speak to the authorities about incidents that they are aware of,its a sickening development within our breed and one i want to see stopped. 

Thank you to everyone that shown me support and it is appreciated.

Regards Tina.

Hi Sue thanks for the info I did print off the regulations and took them with me so she could give to her vet as she herself does not speak or read English. I will take note once the pups are born.

Pam

The following are the words of a GSD enthusiast from The UK who for reasons of being fearful for her own safety should she be identified wishes that i post these comments on her behalf.  

Hi a few years ago I was offered a puppy that came from germany aged 10 weeks and was told that I couldnt take it to shows or dog club etc until it was 12 months old because of who and where it came from, I know pups came over from Germany that way and didnt like the sound of it needless to say I didnt get it, but they proberly have several if not many dogs in their kennels that should never be here, there are several big big breeders here in the UK that used to do this Im not sure if they still do as I have no dealings with them, I know Defra a while back was looking into things but I have no idea of the outcome, there are kennels in Germany that obtain passports without the dog and have a vet who would also stamp the passports without ever seeing the dog.

Good luck with Defra, I hope some of this is investigated for the sake of honest people here and the safety of our land.

End of letter................

Seperately,a report has surfaced of a female from germany residing in Ireland who it is alleged traveled on a false passport recently belonging to another dog, this female has since been sold and the new purchaser is being refused a passport for the animal,which suggests she has never been issued with one? Im am slowly receiving more detailed information about this case and upon having more factual information details shall be posted here. There are also now some 8 dogs identified in theUK under intense scrutiny as to the legitimacy in residing here.........more to follow.

Thank you to everyone that has contributed information to the various parties involved.  Tina... 

Today i received an email from a person in the Irish Republic requesting to know the identity of the dog or dogs based in Ireland who have come to my attention and to the attention of Defra and the MOA, at this moment i am not in a position to name these animals, however i can confirm here that a number of animals are under investigation and a female in particular whose keepers or owners it is alledged acquired a passport from another breeder and used this fraudulently is based at the GSA's Club branch at Dunboyne in Navan Co Meath Southern Ireland, several dogs associated to this club are under scrutiny.

Investigations have found that a number of GSD's acquired by founder members of this club in recent times may have been illegally brought into Ireland without the appropriate procedures being followed and accompanied by authentic paperwork. Breeders and vets are alledged to have been heavily involved in this scam.  Statements to this effect have been submitted to the policing bodies.

This is a sick development within our breed and shows the lenghts people will go to try to be successfull, i for one say SHAME ON YOU!