National Working & Pastoral Breeds - Page 2

Hi Linda,  You are right in your thinking.  Neither Ch Ice nor Razor have been at the property or trained in any other property by Zep.  It is noted that Rustanville Erasmus did not attend... this was because of that very reason - he HAD been trained at our property, and his owners of course didnt enter him.  The owner of Razz actually was kind enough to attend the show to help novice people handle their puppy - and didnt even have a dog to enter... thats sportsmanship.   Isnt it sad when people have to question the integrity of both judges and exhibitors.  No sport is without its people who cheat and try to bend the rules.. no sport at all... so why not eliminate the need to give negativity to the fabulous wins of the excellent dogs that did the winning (again in MY opinion)

To Arbeiter

OK - let me try to explain.  It isnt that I CANT see a conflict of interest... it is that there IS NOT a conflict of interest.  To give creedance to that statement, would not Ch Ice have been given the CC and Conadrew Lesko given the reserve.... they are both equally beautiful males, and both have outstanding qualities, I only had one ticket and one reserve, and I made my decision...... if it was a conflict of interest that caused that decision, then it should have been the other way round, should it not?  Razor?  Come on, get real, this is a top class male that is going to continue..... will they all be getting biased.. I think not.  

You feel there was a poor dog entry?   May I ask if you were there.... the entry on males was lower than females, but for quality, it was certainly there in abundance, and I have to tell you that people know me better than to think that I wont do my own thing. 

Your comment regarding large animals.   If I have an animal in front of me that is worthy of an award, I take EVERYTING into consideration, not size alone...... I would always strive to give the medium sized dogs top awards and in some classes that happened, but in others - I agree they were at the front.  I have to ask WERE YOU THERE  because you would have seen that some smaller animals needed to be behind because of other important factors...Were they grossly over-sized.. No Not At All.  

 To answer you again arbeiter regarding other shows... I dont know if you exhibit yourself, but if you do then you will have had the pleasure of being last some days and first others or in between, as I have... and if that wasnt the case, what a strange world of showing it would be... we would just need to send in pictures, as every dog would have the same place at each show.. its a thrill to beat another top dog that you have been trying to get past for many shows, even just once.. am I the only one that seems to feel that?  This is a sport, and in all sports the same winner doesnt prevail.

we cant all get what we want in life in one swoop, dont throw the baby out with the bath water. and dont be envious of people that are getting there - if you know any perfect dogs... let me know please. I want one   .  Kind regards   Mo

linda b:

oh dear yet another person who cannot understand the written word-i just said i found it funny that having had 3 class wins you would of course say the judge had a good day.

as for your comments about knowing you-i don't believe you'll ever be that lucky !!

as you seem to have taken umbridge with me through your lack of understanding the written word, can i ask- do you at every champshow enter 4 dogs and travel miles, or does that only apply to certain judges.

penny-mo:

sorry don't believe a word of it-be interesting to see when these people  judge next-how You get on !!

Mo  - I was there with a friend who had not seen GSD classes or heard critiques in the way you did and was taken aback a bit at first - but once she had seen a couple of classes and heard your comments she really liked it.

I also liked it when I saw you really focus on all the dogs and even swapped some around to see if they performed differently in different places.  It was also really nice to see dogs being moved up as a result of their movement and them not just being placed from their individual.  It was good to hear you ask for a stop of the calling to see how they performed without the attraction in one class too - you may have asked for it in others but I remember it from one of the bitch classes.

I also heard someone moaning outside the ring about your choice of Male CC and Res CC so it was obviously not a popular choice with some - and it shows that you made YOUR mind up and it wasnt biased on that decision - shame more couldnt have heard the moaning going on, as it showed shwere you stood.

What the show did highlight to me was that when the time comes for me to choose my next puppy I will have to be careful about its breeding as some of the dogs/bitches were very big and not in the direction that I want to see the dogs going.  My existing dogs are already top size and I dont want any bigger than them.

Posted by : arbeiter

linda b:

oh dear yet another person who cannot understand the written word-i just said i found it funny that having had 3 class wins you would of course say the judge had a good day.

as for your comments about knowing you-i don't believe you'll ever be that lucky !!

as you seem to have taken umbridge with me through your lack of understanding the written word, can i ask- do you at every champshow enter 4 dogs and travel miles, or does that only apply to certain judges.

Unfortunately this is were you are totally in the wrong arbeiter, Linda & Keith will travel almost anywhere in the UK to show their dogs no matter who the Judge is and the reason that had 3 wins is because their dogs are more than good enough to win in those classes.

1 more point Linda & Keith will still show all their dogs at Open shows even if they have CC's & Res CC's in my honest opinon that shows how genuine they are and they show for the sake of showing and not selectively.

Arbeiter

Mo Lakin judged the animals presented and placed them accordingly. She also explained why they were placed in that order and as an exhibitor, on the day, I could follow and understand why. Male entries are very poor at shows and also the quality. Size is a problem and as judges have difficulty finding a quality middle sized animals. My bitch by the way was not placed at the front on the class she was in but I can accept that and would enter under Mrs. Lakin again.

As far as I can see there was no conflicft of interests as non of the Videx dogs have ever Trained, Handled or Kenneled with Mo or Zep, if this what you are implyig.

Arbeiter please do your home work before passing comments on entries as you can see LindaB has and entries are poor.

On an other point Linda and Keith, KORZWIN, travel to most shows and enter 3 or more animals and have very good success. The animals I have mainly seen are CH. Korzwin Linzi, Korzwin Jilli JW and Korzwin Randy. I like also the new young member of the team Missy. You should check all the show results and you will find the animals have done a lot of winning and I wish I had one of them.

Finally do your home work before passing comment and by the way were you there, do you show and if so what position did your animal acheive.

E.L.

I would ask everybody not to discuss my dogs with a toe rag like Arbeiter, alias "pencil" "no point pencil" alias "simon black" alis "tara57" alias "uncle tom cobbly and all" - He is anonymous for a simple reason - he snipes and makes unfounded allegations about dogs, breeders, exhibitors, judges, and the GSD show scene. He can only do these things from behind an anonymous alias or five anonymous alias's. STOP responding to this trolls comments. "He is unfit for purpose"

watcher and longshanks:

not really interested in korzwin dogs or their owners-as i said i was just pointing out that 3 wins at a show would mean you think the judge done a good job surely ! thats why i found it funny.

but as you two brought it up-if you look at the website jaquenetta you will see that the last 5 shows or so NO korzwin dogs at all entered-so that dispells your theory altogether.and rather supports mine me thinks.

ARBEITER

Once again you need to do your home work as one of the last 5 shows LindaB was a judge or are you suggesting she should have entered her dogs , now that would be funny.

Please check the rest of the results through out the year and come back to me, and like a good school teacher that I am, I will check your work. You still did not answer the question's  from earlier,

E.L.

Longshanks and Watcher

Thank you for your comments re Korzwin dogs, Keith and I do enter most shows but there are sometimes when we can't attend for many different reasons and yes there is even the odd judge that we choose not to exhibit under. However we do not exhibit our CC winning dogs at open shows.

Arbieter

I have no comment to make to you as people like you are best ignored

Linda B (korzwin GSDs)