Imressions of the 2009 Indian sieger show. - Page 2

This message of mine will be criticised, blasted and I will be called all names including the fact that I suck up to the officials in the GSD Club of India. It is very easy to keep quiet and let the barking .........bark. A lot of people I notice are doing just this. But I will continue to speak with the hope that repetition and then again repetition will drive the point home.

Having said this I must place on record a few things.

Every show in India ends like this and it will always end like this because people who are frustrated, have lost elections or have no good dogs or cannot buy one dog will always be there in plenty and they will appear out of nowhere after a show to talk a lot of bull. Every year the Sieger show reults in ghost writers with no pedigrees who want to discuss dog's pedigrees.

Infact all that is written here reminds me of the horns of a bull- a point here, a point there, with a lot of bull in between.

Let us see what we are doing:

1. We are making fools of our system and our people in the eyes of the world. Do you think in Germany  everybody is 100% satisfied with the results. As long as there is MAN ( sorry ladies, I mean both the species) on this UNIVERSE there will be a difference of opinion.

2. Two judges will not decide 100% the same on issues like dogs. R. Meyer, H. Scheerer, E. Orschler and Peter Messeler are all different people and they will decide differently and have decided differently. Nothing wrong with that.

3. Next we can differ but lets do it in the proper forum and in a decent way.

4. So how do we do this..... join the GSDCI and excercise your franchise. If you do not like the present elected servants of the GSDCI appoint new ones. Strengthen this movement from within- not by trying to form a new club!!! Then all one's life we will only open new clubs. There are regular meetings in the GSDCI now, new ideas are getting accepted, new things like progeny group, kennel group (Kingsland was amazing and for your information the owner did not have a surname of Desai or Krishnamurthy - every time goodness and greatness will be recogonised) are coming in - soon DNA, HD, ED will be there. Work from within and make this club stronger- THATS WHEN YOU ARE A TRUE GSD LOVER , not by blasting a few offiocials on this BOARD.

5. You may disagree with the Judge's opinion but it is you and me who have decided that we must have a judge- otherwise V1 could have been selected by an election on the show grounds without a show. So if you want that join the GSDCI and believe me it costs nothing, and say we do not want a judge but a public ballot for there are over a 1000 judges outside the ring who can decide better than that SV appointed guy inside the ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6. I request you guys to keep national pride and do the correct thing by moving things the correct way, not like this.


Lets look at last years results- different judge, different place and according to you .....different fixers( read last year comments):

Mika of Kingsway was SG2,
Rioburg's Lana was SG3
Mack Vom kingsland was SG4.
Okio Vom Hohen Haus was V6
Sambesy Vom Wilhemswarte was V8
Igor Vom Rommelsbach was V3
Bob Vom Grafenburg was V2.
Amigo Der Rote Krieger was V5.

Hey the results are more or less the same  !!! Judge Mr. Scheerer and place Hyderabad. The top dogs were recogonised last year and even this year. On the day of the show the judge felt somebody was superior to somebody else- thats all. After all if Sachin Tendulkar did not score a hundred in 1st ODI in Sri Lanka it does not make him a bad batsman or are we going to tell the umpire t

This message of mine will be criticised, blasted and I will be called all names including the fact that I suck up to the officials in the GSD Club of India. It is very easy to keep quiet and let the barking .........bark. A lot of people I notice are doing just this. But I will continue to speak with the hope that repetition and then again repetition will drive the point home.

Having said this I must place on record a few things.

Every show in India ends like this and it will always end like this because people who are frustrated, have lost elections or have no good dogs or cannot buy one dog will always be there in plenty and they will appear out of nowhere after a show to talk a lot of bull. Every year the Sieger show reults in ghost writers with no pedigrees who want to discuss dog's pedigrees.

Infact all that is written here reminds me of the horns of a bull- a point here, a point there, with a lot of bull in between.

Let us see what we are doing:

1. We are making fools of our system and our people in the eyes of the world. Do you think in Germany  everybody is 100% satisfied with the results. As long as there is MAN ( sorry ladies, I mean both the species) on this UNIVERSE there will be a difference of opinion.

2. Two judges will not decide 100% the same on issues like dogs. R. Meyer, H. Scheerer, E. Orschler and Peter Messeler are all different people and they will decide differently and have decided differently. Nothing wrong with that.

3. Next we can differ but lets do it in the proper forum and in a decent way.

4. So how do we do this..... join the GSDCI and excercise your franchise. If you do not like the present elected servants of the GSDCI appoint new ones. Strengthen this movement from within- not by trying to form a new club!!! Then all one's life we will only open new clubs. There are regular meetings in the GSDCI now, new ideas are getting accepted, new things like progeny group, kennel group (Kingsland was amazing and for your information the owner did not have a surname of Desai or Krishnamurthy - every time goodness and greatness will be recogonised) are coming in - soon DNA, HD, ED will be there. Work from within and make this club stronger- THATS WHEN YOU ARE A TRUE GSD LOVER , not by blasting a few offiocials on this BOARD.

5. You may disagree with the Judge's opinion but it is you and me who have decided that we must have a judge- otherwise V1 could have been selected by an election on the show grounds without a show. So if you want that join the GSDCI and believe me it costs nothing, and say we do not want a judge but a public ballot for there are over a 1000 judges outside the ring who can decide better than that SV appointed guy inside the ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6. I request you guys to keep national pride and do the correct thing by moving things the correct way, not like this.


Lets look at last years results- different judge, different place and according to you .....different fixers( read last year comments):

Mika of Kingsway was SG2,
Rioburg's Lana was SG3
Mack Vom kingsland was SG4.
Okio Vom Hohen Haus was V6
Sambesy Vom Wilhemswarte was V8
Igor Vom Rommelsbach was V3
Bob Vom Grafenburg was V2.
Amigo Der Rote Krieger was V5.

Hey the results are more or less the same  !!! Judge Mr. Scheerer and place Hyderabad. The top dogs were recogonised last year and even this year. On the day of the show the judge felt somebody was superior to somebody else- thats all. After all if Sachin Tendulkar did not score a hundred in 1st ODI in Sri Lanka it does not make him a bad batsman or are we going to tell the umpire t

On the day of the show the judge felt somebody was superior to somebody else- thats all. After all if Sachin Tendulkar did not score a hundred in 1st ODI in Sri Lanka it does not make him a bad batsman or are we going to tell the umpire that he cheated and somebody else that he fixed!!!!!!!!!

Remember my friends the Judge is telling you that there were so many V dogs in the line up of Open dogs. That means that we can use those dogs in our breeding programme. REMEMBER EVERY DOG WILL CONTRIBUTE and if you are really a true GSD lover do some good breeding and come and join the Sieger show. 

If you scream here the results are not going to change. I welcome you to come and scream in the GSDCI meeting and if you have a point I will definitely support you. But no BULL okay?!

Now all you guys can go ahead if you want- beat me blue and black- I rest my case and shall not respond so that you all have a GREAT TIME. 

I just want to say one thing - we are progressing maybe at an elephant's pace but also remember once the elephant starts moving you cannot stop him!!! Look at the number of BI dogs in the top positions and the German dogs behind--NO SIRS I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU - everything was not fixed otherwise why the German puts his country dogs behind and BI dogs in front. Things are changing- lets change gears and MOOOOOOVVVVVVE.

 

This is the most corrupt show till date in India.The Open dogs were moved for only 3rounds only to protect the horrible movers of Kapil.Bob surely deserved the #2 position if not the #1.Mika to me is a long-haired dachshund.This Sieger show only proved that the game belongs to the rich & corrupts.Most of the classes were fixed.I still can't believe how a rat-faced bitch was placed SG1 over the beautiful Zampi Feetback!!The big fat lady(Rascos' breeder)was inside the ring taking down notes(that is what it looked like from outside the ring)from the judges for both days was seen double-handling Rascos during the Open males.What was she doing inside the ring for the 2 days?The answer can't be anything else but one word "FIXING".
It's time the KCI takes a serious step in stopping foreign handlers.They can come to give demonstrations but the Indian handlers who work with the dogs round the year should also get a chance to show them.

MATHAUS ... I can picture you standing up there blabbering away and someone from the crowd flinging a shoe at you (remember Bush??)

You don't seem to get the point here. There were so many shows held in India this season, did anyone shout and scream that they were fixed? NO! So what was special about this show? THIS SHOW WAS ACTUALLY FIXED AND SO THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS RAISED THEIR OBJECTION, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.

1. On this board it is perfectly legal to remain anonymous. All identities are protected which is why people are able to voice their opinions openly. You know the history of some gentlemen in India who have almost been beaten to death for voicing opinions or having difference of opinions with the big guns. It need not be elaborated here.

2. Agreed that we are a nation of a billion mutts in India. Show us what your pedigree is, if you can. If you can't trace it atleast 7 generations accurately, like that of your dogs, then I think you don't have a right to question the pedigrees of the ghost writers here.

3. Stop thinking what the world is thinking of us. First think if you are able to respect yourself for doing this. Any person with self-respect will treat other people with respect and will make an effort to recognise the fact that show has to fairly judged.

4. The game is no longer limited to certain people from the society. It has changed and many knowledgable / qualified people from all walks of life are now keen a participants. You comments reflect your arrogance and ignorance. People at the show are not so dumb as you make it out to be. They can clearly see the black, white and grey.

4. Don't use this thread to justify the results of the show that was fixed last year.

5. How many people can get membership of the GSDCI and can attend meetings in order to voice their opinions. If you can enroll members tomorrow let us know, there will be hundreds of applications forms at your desk. Then please do the needful. Your ideas sound utopian.

6. The GSDCI needs to consider National Pride when they commit such shameful acts. Don't ask the genuinely concerned GSD enthusiasts to shut-up and put up with the trash meted out by the club members in the name of national pride.

7. What's wrong in having another GSD club? Please give us your reasons for thinking so.

8. This club has been holding Seiger shows annually for 11 years and we don't even check microchips on the dogs on the day of the show, forget about Shutzhund, HD, ED, DNA certification plans etc. You people only talk but don't walk the talk. The gun test started only in the 9th edition of the show.

9. If you can't deliver results then the people who are paying money in form of entries, advertisements and sponsorships have every right to object & criticise and ask a change in club leadership or exemplary punishments for the cheats.

10. Why do people have to get german handlers for the shows and why do these people have to be inside the ring while the judging is on? Can't the club hire interpreters for the judge? What is the link between a foreign handler, a foreign judge and favorable placements in the lineup??

11. Stop hiding behind the pretext that people are jealous, frustrated. Read the writing on the wall. We hope that the days of the club of cheats are numbered.

If you are who I think you are then you are saying all this after you lost some elections.

Please come and meet me. I have documented pedigree for over 50 generations behind. If you know anything about old families in Kerala you will realise that this is true.

Even the sieger show the Club ran in Chennai was fixed according to many who actually participated. So also every show before that according to many. All shows are fixed in the opinion of the FRUSTRATED. Its a nice way of getting excused for poor performance.

Every Sieger show after mumbai- 2007 - the microchip of dogs are checked with the scanner. Your ignorance on such matters seems all encompassing and I would request yourself to check facts before you write.

Kennel group, progeny group started this year and the guy who was recogonised for this in Coimbatore was not even a GSDCI member. Every class had non GSDCI member owned dogs filling the top positions.

Every V dog  is a good dog and has something to contribute. If you really know German Shepherds the results will not fool you- because it is finally the bitch you have with you that matters for breeding and you may like to select a V dog from lower down the order. Eros from Ooty has never been shown ( in my opinion) but is the top stud in the country today and his owner is smiling all the way to the bank. You may like him or you may not but the reality is this.

Since you did not know that microchips were scanned you obviously were not at the show- so please educate yourself on the full results before pin pointing some members of the GSDCI who have invested huge amounts of money in getting top dogs and through them improving the breed. We, in the GSDCI, will evolve and we will devolop because we walk the talk more than you who airs hot air in open forums like this hidden behind identies like yours.

All dog enthusiasts most own similar dogs and must have similar handlers- your thoughts are noble but far withdrawn from reality. If you were governing India all people would be on bicycles. The freedom to get a top dog from outside the country and show him with a top handler would not be possible because in your mind you would be fixing. So what about all these years when you showed dogs with your german handler?

I do not think anybody has been denied admission into the GSDCI as long he /she is a Indian citizen. Please elaborate instead of making those wild accusations that you have made all your life. In your opinion even the club is fixed forget the show- how myopic can your views be?

My point is only this- you can shout all you want. Every year you and people like you do that and then you come back next year. ENJOY if you really have so much time!!! I would only advice you that this is not the way you can ever bring about change- you are welcome to do this for many years into the future with no result. The only way to change anything is to work from within in the forum that it can be addressed. Believe me thats the only way. I just speak my mind and have done it all my life directly not hiding behind identities like some of them here.

Since you have so much time now ( I can understand recession and your retirement) as you seem to have retired from the game please start new threads on 2010, 2011 2012 ..... Indian Sieger shows and let out your hot air - it will save you a lot of time in the future and maybe you can predict like Nostradamus on the future of this breed that we love in India. ENJOY and bye!!!!

A. Mathew
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Totally agreed with the above points raised by vidyanathan.
Would also like to mention some things that were not taken seriously and are much more disgrace to the country then only this forum
 
1.       National Anthem
We had both the Indian and German flag hosted on the ground, agreed... good to give respect to everyone, but then the host should have flag higher than the other country. I hope you are well aware of this .The national anthem, it should have been Indian national anthem which should have been called off on the first place and not the German, rather there was no point in having their for a mere 5-6 people and if at all then after the INDIAN national anthem. So if we are talking of disgracing the country then we have done more stupid blunders then writing on this forum.
2.       Smoking in the ring
May German are seen smoking in the Show ring. Is this a good practice? I hope you will also not agree to this. However, what can be done is the Secretary himself is having a business of BIDI, this is bound to happen. As far as I am aware, not only KCI, but also according to the law of INDIN Govt, smoking in public place is strictly banned. Well how about disgracing INDINA on that front. Dearest PIMP(Mathew) it is easier to talk about our own people, have guts (balls) to raise voice for the white skin also. They are deciding the rules and regulation of how the show should be done.
 
3.       Distracton in the ring
Why should people not raise their voice when there was so much distraction during the Gunshot and not on the same day but the other day as well, I would have loved if the Pune people have taken objection again on the second day. What would have been the result if the the dog was not of the secretary.
4.       How about this, a Gunshot failed female “Sandy vom Starkenburg-Blick” from the secretary of the Club is not only an INDIAN champion but also running for the dog of the year. Is not this a very graceful thing that we busy such nice dogs and promote them to improve the breed standard? I guess you should question this to yourself.
Stop licking MAthew, you have made this country as a brothel and the committee people acting as a pimp.
I would go with the agreement nationwide to support a new club, as getting a membership for the old club is not possible, as they also know if all are given the power, there will be no kingdom left.
If you ad the GSDCI have guts, open membership to all the people show have owned or breed a GSD. Let all decide what will be the fate of the Club and the breed in INDIA.  

May god help the commitee.
 

As a spectator of Indian sieger show 2009 held in Coimbatore, I personally feel proud myself to see V2 B.I  Dog which is an superbly  outstanding specimen for the breed. Its a medium size & medium strong dog with very good proportion, correct front & hind angulation, can cover the ground with power, lovely over & underline, Thanks to its breeder. Keep it up. Your dog can win anywhere & on his day he can beat any famous German import which I have seen on that day.

The person like Mathaus who dont know who is his real father will only speaks something like this to save his partners crime. As last year he was played a very good role in Sieger show as this year Krishnmurthy played. We really have to give him standing ovation for this great work in his life.

I think this time Ajit littlebit disappointed because he was not able to sold so many craps from germany as he last year sold. But as i said before he dont have to worry bcs on 15th Hycan splty show will be there and he also able to make his Amigo V1 in that ring for sure.

Thank you rider boy. you are good at predicting the future. enjoy yr broken english. We re all having a good laugh at yr many jokes.