Raw chicken wings - OK for pups? - Page 2

Basically if you think in terms of what a "wolf" would eat - rabbits, birds, other small prey objects - rats, mice you get an idea "proportionally" what a diet would be. So a whole chicken would technically be a good example - plenty of meat, edible bones small organs. I tend to do a "franken-prey" model where I use various parts from various species to make more of a whole carcess over a week. Some meals have bone, some are meat only. I try to feed a variety of species to ensure they get a good base of nutrients as different meat has different levels of vitamins and minerals. I also use the poop as a guide - if the diet has too much bone it will be hard and white and the diet needs more meat. If the stool gets soft, more bone is needed. If the dogs get diarrhea then it is often too much food (or too much meat or organ meat). I have fed many different dogs, my dogs, rescues, pups and most recently my pregnant bitch all with great results. I have never had a problem switching right from kibble and also the dogs that have been switched to kibble by the new owners have not had any problems either.

Im very happy you are deciding to feed raw, I have been doing it for almost 2 years now and have never had a problem. Wings are fine for a puppy but like everyone else has been saying, I would give her something with a little more meat on it like a leg(thats what I started my lab mix on). You will probably have to feed it to her by hand at first as she probaly will just want to play with it, like mine did. I would also recommend you go to leerburg's page he does have some good info on there. Good luck with her :)

Do not rinse in warm water nor let stand to room temperature! Thats how salmonella grows...feed the meat fresh from butcher, freeze to kill most bacteria and only thaws enough to be plyable.....most dogs love a little frozen meat....also u should give some muscle meat w bone, and organ meats along with your kibble....and then any other suggested additional u want to give dog....room temperature meat is dangerous....the health dept gives resturants serious marks against them if they ever find meat at a lesser than...32-34 and cooked food at a different degree....if u feed raw there are many rules and cautions to follow....Ive been doing it for years and never had sick dogs.......its just like raising a baby, some parents wash baby bottles with dishes in the dishwasher, some parents sterilize them in boiling water in a saterilizer....neither get sick, some dont sterilize at all......just wash them out....

Everyone has their own idea of what is correct for raw feeding. Some believe one thing others believe something totally different. When starting out feeding raw of any kind, research research research. After nearly 5 years of feeding my dogs and cats raw, I have found that the rawdogranch.com has the best information, THAT I NEED for feeding raw. It explains it in terms many understand. As well as, it offers a spreadsheet to help you determine the ratio of muscle meat to bone to offal to the dog. On occasion I still feed a tad bit of kibble. NEVER at the same meal, as kibble digests at a different rate than raw does. Feeding raw is a science project, you need to monitor the nutritional needs of each dog, and look at them seperately and not as a whole. Variety is a key for my pack. Knowing what additional supplements and digestive enzymes, is any are needed. For our puppies, we usually started with satin balls, moving on rather quickly to adding wingettes, then small chunks of meat. NEVER feeding them from a food station, where they push and shove to get food. I always feed them in crates so they don't inhale food. Just my 2 cents on what has worked for me.

Well, I've fed a commercial raw diet to my adults in the past. Both of my adult dogs (my first dogs) are European imports. For the first year I fed the K9 Kraving food which was fine but extremely expensive. We were eventually forced to move away from the K9 Kraving due to expense. We started using a "super premium" kibble called Evo by Inova. I was VERY guilty at first - but dogs did just fine on it - no issues or noticeable changes other then the change in color of stool. When I got the puppy in mid-November the breeder recommended feeding the Canidea "all life stages food." (The kibble the pup was already on) Since that was considered a good kibble as well and to avoid having to keep up with 2 different kibbles that are not sold locally at the same store we moved our other dogs onto the Canidea also. Again no issues - although I supplement my working male with Vertex. I am moving to a "blended" diet for the puppy to help with the weak pasterns issue I've started another thread about. It seems the 2 universal recommendations are to increase exercise (preferably in loose footing like sand) and increase protein intake. I've been advised to cut the pup back to a half a cup of the Canidea in the AM, eliminate the midday meal and feed 1/2 a pound of raw meat (to start) in the PM moving up to 3/4 a pound once her weigh comes down a little. Although I started this thread about chicken wings I was also told that they contain a bit too much fat/skin and a bit too little bone - so I should feed legs/thighs. I don’t want to get in over my head with the raw thing as I believe it requires a great deal of research which means *time* which I don't feel I have the luxury of right now. I want to provide the puppy the best nutrition I can and certainly don't want to cause issues by depriving her of essential nutrients. Any comments on this route would be appreciated. -Calvin

yellowRose I was advised by my vet not to feed meat frozen as it can cause "stomach freeze" which in turn can cause bloat. I have poured a small amount of warm water over the ground chicken just to get it to room like temp. and ran wings under warm water. No problems with samonella /ecoli etc. in about 3 years... cledford In your original post it sound like you were mainly going to feed Kibble and supplement with a little meat. I think in this case a wing or 2 a day will not greatly hurt the balance as most kibble derives its protein from grain and its debatable how much dogs can actually utilize. Variety is again the key to all living things. I feed Hutterite Chicken (stewers) they are void of hormones and antibiotics. As I said the wings and necks are fed whole but I grind the bodies. I also have access to wild game trim, which some believe is better than domestic stock used for meat. So a good portion of my meat source is muscle meat. Their poop is always firm and the best part little to no odor. They also have in addition to the meat, canned fish (usually Salmon)ground veggies of a great variety and some canned such as green beans, raw eggs, brown rice, plain yogurt, cottage cheese, probiotics. If we have leftovers they get this too.

Trailrider, if you grind chicken for your dogs, you are are my hero. I tried that for a while and ended up with a mess every time, chicken blood and ground bones and skin all over my kitchen. I had to suit up in protective gear myself. I love Blitz, but he now eats Royal Canin with some already ground raw turkey added. Anyone who grinds chickens for their dogs is a real dog person. When I die I hope to come back as one of your dogs LOL.

Blitzen You are tooo funny! I bought a Tasin Electric Meat Grinder a few years ago. It has been great! I hope 'ol Murphy didn't hear me say that!! The stewers don't seem to be to bloody, they are skinny compared to fryers (I buy fryers from the Hutterites for us)from in the grocery stores. At first I went thru a barrage of ways to get the suckers cut up. Now I can do it in my sleep! Not much mess, I am sick of cleaning the grinder after though. Keep those Clorox Wipes under the sink and wipe everything down after the slaughter. LOL!

I have been feeding 100% raw for over 8 years now. I started out feeding more of the BARF diet by Billinghursts which consists of a lot of chicken backs/necks. It was thought that they had a good meat vs bone ratio. Now I have moved more towards a prey model diet, where they get more meat and less bone. My retired girl will be 10 in August and is in great shape, she has been on raw since she was a year old. Her daughter and son are 4 1/2 and were born/raised on nothing but raw. I also have my first 2nd generation raw fed puppies right now. They are 6 weeks old tomorrow and are doing great on raw. I have had great sucess with it. Sure there are risks to it, just as there are risks to feeding kibble. You just have to educate yourself about both and choose what you feel is best. Like someone elst posted, I have switched several dogs to raw over the years... my own, temporary dogs I have had come through here, puppies bought from other breeders, etc... none had problems with it switching cold turkey.

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