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GSD admin.  That is not how it works. The prices would no go up . That is just the way corporation threaten people in order to justify their move of production over sees. This is not about me what I would like to pay for what, but about the way things are politically and economically. What I or you or anybody likes or not is of not much consequence. As far as the phones goes for example   that the price of the phones would not go up too much if they would be made in US .That is since true production of the phone is about 1/3 of what you are paying Look here :

https://www.techwalls.com/production-costs-of-smartphones/

 Regardless   the smart phone company can not charge much more for the phone then they already do because if they could that would.  That is why  in different economies they charge for the same product different price.   For example smart phone    in Czech costs about about 1/3 less of the US price   for the same model.  Same is is true for Watches or anything. So as you can see this is all about profits for the companies. The production cost then  determines the profit and not the cost of the product. Every company always charges what the market can bare.  All this then is caused by competition between companies . If one company moves over sees then other companies in same product industry must do the same. 

 The question we should ask is how much we the customers and the companies moving oversees are willing to sell our country for.

 

Susie I guess you did not read my post to which you are responding Again. I agree with you and that is what I have said . China exports and but does not import. Economically they do want make money with West. But for what means if they can not buy Western products there? They use money to build up their military might and simultaneously they are destroying Western economy which us just buying but not producing and not selling which leads to deficitof Western economies. Also Chinese manipulate currency which is another Huge problem for Western economy.   That is why US alone has Total Trade   deficit with China  in let say 2015 -367 172 900 000.00 That is $367 billion  Most people can not even fathom such number. This is every year and  growing. On top of uit we are borrowing from China to support our lifestyle . The U.S. debt to China is $1.241 trillion, as of June 2016.   Chine has US by the balls because if they would cash in they would destroy USA economy. But consumer in USA does not care as long as their phone s are cheep.  

This is how it looks through western eyes if you are somber ,... and it is true. From Chinese communist point of view it is all about destroying west and advancing communist ideology all over the world. It is once again ABOUT POWER. The problem in Western world view is that westerners see time in days or weeks or at most years where Chinese are playing their GEOpolitical Chess game with perspective of decades and generations. 

If an American worker makes at least 8.00 an hour and a Chinese worker makes .75. Won't the company need to charge more to make the almighty buck so they can please their corporate owners? lol, Prager do some research on the trade deficit. We don't owe that money to China it is only a difference between what we buy from them and what they buy from us. If you think bringing jobs back here is the answer, you are flat out wrong. If we didn't have immigrants hoeing the fields and doing the jobs that 99.9% of Americans won't do, who is going to do that work? Honestly Prager, if you don't think the costs of goods made over seas as opposed to what those items would cost if made here, you are again flat out wrong. If McDonalds can buy a .01 cup from China or a .03 cup from America you being a top notch businessman, what would you choose? Your whole opinion on this is hypocritical to say the least.

You can explain something to all every time. You can explain everything some sometime, but you can not explain everything to everybody every time. :)

Prager, why do you think only because I do have a different point of view I don´t read and/or understand your posts?

I even highlighted the part of your post I differ with: "That is their strategy to spread communism by taking over and destroying US western economy."

You believe in the "Chinese Evil", trying to "destroy" the US
- whereas I say, China needs the US for export.

In case China "destroys" the US the biggest export market would be gone...and when thinking about the very close connecton between US and EU, the EU market would shrink dramatically, too.

They´d "destroy" themselves.

This communist country perfectly learned the rules of capitalism, they are not better or worse than we have been decades ago.

Today´s difference: The Chinese people are hungry, whereas the West is satiated.

Historically seen global powers rise and perish - in case you are part of the "rising" power you may like it, in case you are part of the "perishing" power you may dislike it...

 

Susie I understand your perspective and I wish I could believe it is correct. . But I will tell you this. I have lived in communism and I know how they think. They do not look at thinks materialistically as westerners do. They do not care if they ultimately one day destroy their source of a income. When Nixon opened window into China his idea was to show China freedom and how western economy is great for their welfare. Same as you think. I personally am very skeptical about success of this strategy and I believe that China accepted this "Nixon" theory of formally " normalizing" relationship with China for exactly the opposite reason . They want to spread communism and ultimately destroy west and rule it. Remember it is all about power. It is about power over the world for West or for China. They did not say OH OK we want to be like you Westernized. No they have other plan. My reason to think that is because if they would believe in capitalist system and Liberty then they would totally abandoned their communist ideology like they have done in Czech or in DDR and Hungary and elsewhere. But they have not done that. Same as North Korea or Cuba which are the worse examples of such ideology. Otherwise why do they have political prisoners. ( Google :"Human rights in China and execution in China. ) " why do they build massive military, Nuclear weapons, Military artificial islands, why did they annexed Honk Kong? Why are they eyeing Taiwan.
No from observing China's behavior I can only conclude that China want to expand their power based on Ideology of communism.

Prager: " It is about power over the world for West or for China. "

For decades it was about West ( USA, EU ) or Soviet Union,
economically we were afraid of Japan for years,
now India is growing fast ( Pakistan following ),
and within 2 generations it will be about Africa and the rest of the world.


Prager: " My reason to think that is because if they would believe in capitalist system and Liberty then they would totally abandoned their communist ideology like they have done in Czech or in DDR and Hungary and elsewhere. "

The governments of these countries didn´t abandon communist ideology because of conviction, but because the inhabitants of these countries wanted to be part of the "modern" world. At that point government had no chance...

Contrary to European countries China is pretty isolated and HUGE, the army is very strict, and because of that the development will take more time, but it will happen.

For me there are only 2 possible scenarios:

1. National uprising ( not today, not tomorrow, but in the future ), followed by vulnerable democracy
2. Global War ( to prevent a National uprising, to keep people "in line" )

I hope for #1 - everybody knows that there will be no more "winners" in case of a global war....

There are no winners in any war, period, end of.

Susie do not   make mistake and think that Soviet union/Russia are finished. And do not compare them to Japan. Japan is now democracy and no democracy was ever in war with another democracy. Wehre Chine and Russia are not democracies.

To the second part of your question i would say we can hope so. But ideology of leaders  of communism in China is unquenchable and understandable. They are just adopting to the present situation . Leninism teaches that such adaptation if necessary is the duty . It teaches th communists must make allies with the enemy itself in order to survive and eventually with final intention  to destroy it. It happened in during Russian revolution. At first Bolschvicks  and Meschevicks were allies. Then when Boschevicks got strong they destroyed them , That is how they consistently act. It happened during ww1 and ww2 and what you see now is the same thing in making. The Chinese and Russian leaders are just adopting to pressures of west in order to withstand it while they are quitly building their strength and are waiting for opportunity there west is weak and then they will pounce. There is absolutely no doubt about it in my mind. I absolutely do not think that Communist are trying to think kumbaya wit the west.
Sixty years ago, Washington’s concern about China’s ability to project firepower was limited to Quemoy and Matsu, two small island groups near the mainland garrisoned by Nationalist forces that occasionally fell under artillery bombardment from the People’s Liberation Army (PLA)
A TNI Video Interview: China's A2/AD strategy is squarely aimed at America. What should Washington do about it? k Fire on the Water: China, America and the Future of the Pacific.

The following is an excerpt from Mr. Haddick's latest TNI article, "The Real U.S.-China War Asia Should Worry About: The 'Range War.'" The full article can be read here.


The United States and China have found themselves engaged in a “range war” in the western Pacific, a competition over the distances their missiles and aircraft can attack targets. The fielding of new technology by one side is resulting in responses by the other, with the dimensions of the potentially contested space in the Asia-Pacific region growing with each move in this competition. Although the subject of weapons performance and missile tactics may seem tediously arcane, these details will substantially influence the policy options available to both sides during a hypothetical crisis. And the limits of those options may in turn influence the grand strategies of players across the region.

Sixty years ago, Washington’s concern about China’s ability to project firepower was limited to Quemoy and Matsu, two small island groups near the mainland garrisoned by Nationalist forces that occasionally fell under artillery bombardment from the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). Assistance from the United States, combined with the decrepit state of the PLA’s air and naval power, meant that Nationalist Taiwan was secure, a status that would endure for decades.

We now know that the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis in March 1996 (during which the United States deployed two aircraft-carrier strike groups to the region) and the stunning tactical performance displayed by U.S. forces in the 1991 Persian Gulf War persuaded China’s leaders to embark on a dramatic reform of China’s military power, centered on the development of “counterintervention” naval, air and missiles capabilities. The goal of this program, still ongoing after nearly two decades of effort, is to create a deep PLA-dominated security zone in the western Pacific that will be too hazardous for adversary forces to operate in during a future potential crisis. In 2007, just eleven year after the 1996 crisis, a study from RAND produced for the U.S. Air Force concluded that the U.S. military could lose to the PLA and its “counterintervention” forces should another such crisis occur.
China’s ship- and submarine-launched antiship cruise missiles (ASCMs), such as the YJ-83 (range of 160 kilometers), the SS-N-22 Sunburn (up to 250 km) and You need to ask your self why are they doing this if they just want to do business with West. Cinese are franticly buildign their NAVY aircraft and missiles batteries. Some are better then US and they for sure are more numerous. For example missile S-N-27 Sizzler (300 km) outrange the U.S. Navy’s legacy Harpoon ASCM (124 km)

Fighters?
China operates several variants of the Russian-designed Su-30 Flanker strike-fighter (with a combat radius up to 1,500 kilometers). In the near future, China’s Flankers could be armed with the YJ-12 ASCM (range of 400 km), thus potentially threatening targets up to 1,900 kilometers from China. This would exceed the combat radius of a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier air wing (about 1,300 kilometers for F/A 18 E/F and F-35C strike aircraft armed with the Navy’s air-to-surface standoff missiles) and the Navy’s Tomahawk land-attack missile (1,600 km).

This is tremendously important. US and by default all West is losing ground. So far we are good but the point I am making is the propensity of Chinese communists. And that is expansionism via so called communist globalism.
Remember USSR had to back up because USA outspend their military. Now the Chinese are doing the same to US with surplus cash which they have from selling to USA their cheep crap which American consumer loves OH so much. But US and west is short sighted where China has time for ever and US does not look past next election.

GSD Admin So USA did not win WW2?