Which Dog is Correct? - Page 3

Sunsilver - If I saw your dogs name I would know it wasnt a german dog, depsite the Vom in the name. 

Sunsilver

Firstly I do not need to do any homework to see that there are numerous 'von something or other 'USA bred dogs out there, going back to my original message I simply asked why  people name dogs bred outside of Germany thus , so far nobody has been able to answer that ?

Secondly I was not shooting from the hip as you put it & definately NOT apologising for something which I feel no need to apologise about, which is simply me asking why dogs bred outside of Germany are often given sudo Germans names, a simply question that still hasn't been answered & I would have though perfectly harmless .......unless its toucheed a nerve ????

Jane doesnt breed American dogs..she is a german woman living in the USA. Why would anyone make a statement about americans naming a dog making people think it is german. Her dogs some of which , Silbersee, has seen and  many hereknow, never were even in the usa.,except to bred or show or trial..I wish she would post but Jane isnt interested in defense mecos,,,,never in her life will she enter a forum to discuss what doesnt even make sense to be discussing , but I love Jane and she is ultimate in my books and I can keep quiet...I know she is enjoying Horse racing, Her dogs are phonominal , , the only word I can think of...She has been a mentor to me., and I owe her a lot of thanks.

I think I've worked out a way of explaining this in a way that shouldnt offend etc.

If a human is born in Germany it has a German passport, if that human then goes to USA and has children they then have a US passport.

What we are trying to get across is the fact that dogs born in the US are in fact American - we are not looking at type coat or anything else just country of origin.

Therefore imported German dogs maintain their name, but their US born offspring are then regularly given names to make them look like they have been born in German and not in America. Therefore it is very misleading.

When the German format name is then used to promote the puppy it look like it is in or from Germany not in the US.

beepy and singe,

I really do not know what your point is here. It should be up to the breeder what name they decide to give their dog and what to call their kennel. If I was breeding Shiba Inus, I would probably look for something Japanese to honor the dog's heritage. Therefore, I do not see anything wrong with U.S. breeders using German names for American born dogs. The only beef I sometimes have is the wrong spelling or grammar, or simply using inappropriate names. We in the U.S. do not criticise your U.K. system of adding a kennel name to the dog's registered name when ownership changes either. So maybe, you should chill. Obviously, you people have an agenda here with U.S. breeders. A lot of other countries follow the German principle (Netherlands, Eastern European countries, etc.), and the SV does not have a problem with that.

I am a German living in the U.S. Therefore, I have a German kennel name. When it comes to picking a first name for the litters, I am not choosy: Whatever sounds great, is distinctively male or female, and starts with the letter I have to use: Mexican, English, German, Russian etc.. Since  I take my dogs to Germany on a regular basis for breeding, showing, titling etc., I do not see any difference - same bloodlines, same regulations of breeding requirements. The only difference is the place of birth.

And beepy, since you raise these issues about citizenship and passports, I can't resist correcting you, since that is part of my profession: A "human" (to quote you) born in Germany will only get a German passport if one of his parents is a German citizen at the time of his or her birth. All other foreigners will only receive a birth certificate or registration of birth from the German government. Unlike the U.S., Germany does not have the right to citizenship by birth on its territory. The only group of people, the U.S. excempts from this right, are the foreign dignitaries and diplomats (A-1 visa holders). All others (even illegal immigrants) have a right to U.S. citizenship, when born in the U.S.. Now, if the German "human" (to quote you), goes to the U.S. and has children, these "offspring" will have dual citizenship - German and U.S. . My children carry passports from Germany and the U.S.A.. They were born in the U.S. but are German citizens, just like their fellow countrymen and women, born in Germany.

To sum up, your comparison does not hold up!!!!

Well done BEEPY at last someone has grasped the point I was trying to get across re the misleading naming of dogs.

Put another way, its like having a ford escort car but debadging it ,then putting Mercades Benz badges all over it ...misleading to people who don-t know their cars, but still not the real thing !!

Jane Steffenhagen has accomplished a lot with German conformation dogs.  Of course being the Campbell's soup heiress helps too!

 As to American's giving German names to dogs.

I don't think it is to be deceptive, it is mostly to honor the breed and it's heritage. I have had 5 breeds of dogs in my lifetime. 2 German, 1 French, 1 British and 1 Australian. Most all were named something having to do with their country of origin. I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, and I'm not ashamed of my heritage, I'm just proud of theirs I guess.

Thinking about it, only the Australian Cattle Dogs were from "American" lines (to me that is, no imports in the 3-4 most recent generations). All the rest of my dogs were imports or 1st generation from imports. I don't personally have a kennel name since they weren't bought for breeding. The kennel names they came with are generic names, but alot of the dogs' names within the pedigrees have something to do with Australia in some way.

I had no kennel name for my German dogs since I didn't breed them. My husband has a kennel name he has used for GSD litters, and it was a German name. A German friend of his came up with the name and he liked the name and it's meaning so he used it. 

My French dogs' kennel name is  part of my maiden name, which is a French word (or Gaelic, depending on your research).

My British dogs' kennel name is an old name for the area they are from in England. It also happens to be where my father grew up so I used the name to honor him as well.

When I was in New Zealand a few years ago, I met a woman who had Boston Terriers. She loved telling me their "American" names to see if I really felt they were American sounding. The funny thing was that all 3 names were famous american criminals of some sort LOL.

Pretty much all American's are mutts so we like to link to our heritage if we can.   

Annette Holbrook

Steffenhagen... Campbell's soups?  Blimey, I thought it was a Scottish company.  My favourite tinned soup... after Baxters of course!