QUESTION TO ALL BREEDERS - Page 4

another thing .... arn't you obligated to send the buyer the papers in a timely manner regardless of their intentions in the future or what the conditions of the dog is? Sounds fishy.

"The new owner just emailed us and said they will not return her until they get their money back and her AKC papers to transfer the puppy in their name, and then they will send her back."

The buyer is in the right here. If you don't send them the papers, your getting sued, I'm sure you have written in your contract, you'll send papers. Just like they took a chance sending you their moneys in full, in hopes you send them the pup. This isn't a oneway street of honesty you know. Or is it for you?

BabyEagle4u,

Lord have mercy how you are not understanding anything I say. We do not take the whole litter into the pet stores when we go get food, it is common sense to take in one at a time!! I do have migraines, but once again if you would read a little slower you will read that I sometimes don't have them everyday! There is NO link where the new owner is bashing us, I said if they DO(again, read slower). Yes everyone is obligated to send the papers in a timely manner, but as I stated above there was a hold up(again, read slower), on top of that we still don't have our dog's papers that we purchased and it's also been months! Just making an example of how papers can get held up! Why should I send them the papers when they want to RETURN our puppy? We already said we will give them their money but not until we get the puppy. We have been nothing BUT honest with this person as well as everyone that gets a puppy from us. It makes no sense to us not to be. It just sounds like your trying to start something that just isn't there. We are just to busy on trying to get our puppy back, and are no longer going to be answering your questions that are already answered by legitimate breeders on the PDB.

Thanks

Kel

"Why should I send them the papers when they want to RETURN our puppy?"  

Ahhh, you made them a contract and if you don't send them the papers (even on request) you break your own contract maybe? 

I feel bad for the buyer, sounds to me they were screwed. Sorry.

"It just sounds like your trying to start something that just isn't there."

Sorry to have read your thread. You started it.

This statement from djc rubs me the wrong way....

"I doubt very many breeders would take a puppy back just because they decide they don't like it."

Although, that is not a reason many would issue a refund / replacement for...

Any REPUTABLE breeder would WANT THEIR PUPPY BACK REGARDLESS OF WHY IT WAS BEING GIVEN BACK!

Oops, sorry hit send too soon....

What I was going to say next was....

If I read into what you said wrong, I AM TRULY sorry and apologize.

I would get in my rig, drop everything else,  and GO,  GO there NOW give them the freaking money back RIGHT NOW, and GET YOUR PUPPY !!!  

GET that pup OUT of that Situation NOW !!   Even if you have to hire someone else to do it,  JUST DO IT !!

Also YES any REPUTABLE Breeder that CARES about what they put out into the world WOULD WANT their puppy back !!!

What an unfortunate situation altogether.

Unfortunately, a 3rd party person can't be sure of either side here since we are not there to have personally observed the temperament of the puppy prior to shipment, and 2 months post-shipment to know how the pup has been treated--no offense to any involved.

If the people get their money back, the AKC papers, and still have the puppy, what do you have except a hard lesson in rewording your puppy selling contract to keep yourself from getting jipped in such manner again?
On the other hand, if you've put it in writing, then your contract and whatever was mutually agreed upon and signed will be what a judge will look at and uphold if this would all go to arbitration. Irregardless of your technical wording or lack thereof. If it says you'd send AKC papers timely, then I guess you're obligated-or at least a copy(and I'd be fixing and rewording my future contracts in the meanwhile). Although if I purchased a puppy from a breeder and had it shipped (I have), and didn't see SOMEthing to ensure me the pup was what it's supposed to be value or calliber-wise, I as a consumer would be very concerned, too-especially if the pup didn't display the temperament I would expect from the breeding I'd purchased from. Was any documentation, pedigree, copy of parent's registrations, etc sent with this pup to give the new owners info on this pup, or do they just have a pup and NO information with it? That might be why they're wanting to see the papers-for verification. If you've AKC registered the pup, can you send them a scanned COPY of the papers to officially show their pup is indeed where it came from? Without my money back, I would be hesitant to send the AKC papers, especially since they're not wanting the dog anyhow. 
Why are the people wanting the AKC papers when they're returning the pup? Why take on paying the AKC a $20 tranfer fee for a pup they're NOT keeping?

Why can't the situation be handled as such, tho: if the people do not want the puppy (for whatever reason), then why can't you relax, and go on the same trust you both shared in the beginning when they sent you the money for the pup and then you shipped the pup, but just in REVERSE? When they can send you official flight confirmation of shipping the pup and it is being loaded for shipment, then Western Union their money to them for the pup. That way you have conformation the pup will be arriving back into your possession via the flight, and they have their money back. End of situation.  Or, like so many people are saying, drive and get your puppy. It's hard to tell what it has done been thru and probably the best thing for it would be to be back home in familiar surroundings.

Yes, as producer of a litter from time to time, I will take back ANY of my pups if for some reason the buyer decides they don't want it at ANY point in its life-no question nor hesitation-but refund depends on the dog's condition when returned (if it's been spay/neutered then obviously it's not worth what it would've been if it was intact, etc). I will even take pups or adult GSDs from other people's breedings for placement in new families whenever I can to keep them out of shelters, pounds, etc. It's just part of being truly in love with the breed and having a well-rounded program. Best Wishes getting your issue resolved peacefully.