Top German showline dogs in US and Can - any males of medium size? - Page 4

Kevin is a nice choice too...I agree!

Andrushka is medium sized. He produces same.

SS

VA1 Leido v Kuckucksland Schh3, KKl-1 is perfect medium size, @ 80 lbs - as is V-Geronimo v Olympus Schh3,KKl-1.  Both are excellent in size, bone, structure and also drive/temperament for the work.  Leido has produced big male offspring so you have to watch the size of the female also!

molly

MALE:

Kkl in this instance only refers to size considerations ONLY (typically, Koerklasse covers all aspects of the dog, including bitework)

undersized with no Kkl: under 59cm

undersized: 59cm-under 60cm (kkl2)

small: 60-62cm (kkl1)

medium: 62.5-63cm (kkl1)

medium large: 63.5-64 (kkl1)

large-64.5-65: (kkl1)

oversized: 65.5-66cm (kkl2)

oversized is over 66cm, no Kkl.

This is how this was explained to me many years ago. If there were not so much bickering, I would ask a judge to post here personally, but who would want them to read some of the stuff on this database!!  LOL!

However, the same judges that should be disqualifying dogs for being more than 1cm over standard are giving the dogs a Kkl1 with 65cm on their Koer report, so..................................................make your own conclusions.  ;)

I think the current president of the SV will be making earnest steps to get the size of these dogs back under control.

2 X VA-Zeke v. Kirchenwald, SchH 3 is 64.5 cm, with a breed survey label as "large".  He produces correct size, even with very large females.  www.kirchenwald.com

Galaxy von Ajaye, HGH/SchH3 Kkl1 "a"  is measured 64.5 cm 2X and 65.0 cm 2X and is described as "large, substantial male".  He produces great temperament, good pigment, good bone, good color, good heads, good hips, elbows, and working ability. All pups receiving top ratings in their classes being promising for the breed and therefore of correct size.  We'll see.  But of all the faults there is one I can live with and that is "size" if it is a cm or so above the standard.  What I do not like seeing are the dogs over 68 cm.  I believe so strongly in the bloodlines that I carry in this male and am convinced that the trend of today will throw many a good dog out of the gene pool because people become fixated on one thing without looking at an entire package.  When we breed for one thing something else comes out (negatively) on the other side.  Breeding for balanced well conformed dogs and aspiring to all training goals is my zeal.  In a litter you will have those pups that come within the standard and those that are outside.  That is why there is so much fall out when raising a puppy as a show prospect.  For a good sized male, it will take 2 years to find what he finally measures out at.  There is no way that you will be able to eliminate the problem with size by breeding to only one stud male.  The pedigree plays a part in this too.  But only breeding for size is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Was not  2X VA1 Larus a 70 cm dog?  Was this dog not out of a correctly sized 2X VA1 Yasko?  How will you eliminate the influence these bloodlines have had on the breed?  Was the VA1 Female Tabata of correct size?  These were the top dogs of just a few years ago.  What about Farina v. Noriswand?  All put to the front by the top judges of the day. 

If you have a plan, go by it.  It will never hurt to breed for good temperament, health, conformation, type and working ability.  The rest seems to change as the politics of the day.  You can purchase a winner if you want to win.  We have seen that often enough.  But to select a stud for size alone is such a limiting factor.  Nothing good will come of that.

Why assume that the male alone is responsible for size? The dam is equally as responsible - genes are inherited in pairs, one half of each pair coming from each parent. If you own a female that has produced large puppies by several different males, it would certainly behoove you to look for a male that is rumored to not produce large progeny, but I sure wouldn't count on her ever givng you more than a small percentage of medium sized puppies from the litter regardless of who sired it.  Also, large dogs often produce smaller than they are and small dogs often produce larger. It's much more about what that dog produces than the size of the dog.

IMO, size is the most difficult thing to retain no matter what the breed. Every year many Shelties end up looking like collies and beagles, poodles etc  grow beyond their standard size DQ. Everyone on here is so fond of saying - puppies are a crap shoot. Well, so is adult size.