Mr Engel, I didn´t say the wall "was too hard for the German Shepherds."
I did say that there were a lot of unnecessary injuries because of the wall ( not connected to any breed ) - and there are still unnecessary injuries ( even Malinois are not unbreakable, but different from German Shephers Malinois in KNPV normally stop training ( because they are titled and are sold to police or to the States...) in the age of 2 - 2,5 years....
I don´t like people switching my own words.

Mondio wall

The dogs shall WALK downhill.

PH2 wall ( Police dog trial 2 )

The dogs shall WALK downhill.

Only KNPV still is different, but like I said, the dogs are "retired" normally in an early age.

VK4 - there already is an endurance test, the AD, 12,75 miles with the bicycle, basic obligation before breeding within Germany, and there is the BH trial, including a lot of distractions, also basic obligation even before IPO.

I tried to explain this before, it´s not about the trials, it´s about the training, during training the handler is able to recognize the advantages and disadvantages of his / her dog.
For all the "pet" folks there is flyball, agility, obedience,...... but training for these goals doesn´t implement breed worthiness of a working dog.

The more training possibilities ( bitework, stick hits, pinch collars, e-collars ) are gone, the less we do have the possibility to train the real hard dogs.
As the end result the breeders will not breed for hardness any more...

 

I still have my dogs jumping the 6 foot wall as pictured always have and will continue to do so. The breed must be agile. My dogs still get reed sticks used on them and real gun shots.  Europe can go to the devil a working dog must be worked!
 

Glad to hear this - maybe some "real" working dogs will survive...

Susie They will. There are a few of us crazies that can't live without hard dogs. I am excited to meet you.

This is my Cruise doing some suit work. All my dogs are still worked on the suit also. It,s good training and makes a much better well rounded dog.

There is surely nothing to prevent people who see value in the
use of stick hits and who want to do so TRAINING with that
addition.   Just because they are (maybe) not being used in
competitions, doesn't mean you cannot carry on in the 'privacy'
of your Clubs / own yards.  Unless & until the Animal Rightists
win the day entirely, and get this 'ban' enshrined in law  ?  That
may well be a very long time coming ... 

Hundmutter
In all reality a test should be conducted by strangers in a strange environment.  But don't we already have enough "my dog can do this or that"  I still say "test them and test them hard", if it does not measure up fail it and send it home with the other non breed quality dogs. Seperated the good from the rest.
Next in our PC world maybe all dogs should earn a VA.

As far as the Swiss go Tell them to kiss our "ass" and have a real test some place else. How about right here in Missouri. Maybe we can find a few to be "free and brave" The SV has changed the rules before lets change some of them for the better of the breed.

My tone is not meant to be rude, We all need to stand up for the GSD and its quality.

Joanro,
"Creating a shortage of puppies and dogs to adopt."??????
WTF???
You can't be serious.
This is today:

Home of 330,993 adoptable pets from 13,457 adoption groups.
This represents less than 1/10 of all the homeless animals in shelters, rescues and pounds in the U.S.

First off, that's the goal! No more homeless animals!
As for the animals being transported south to north, that's because the major cities are in the north.
Their vast populations of people can better support rescues financially and adopt more animals. 
(In simpler terms, take the animals from where there are few chances of adoption and transport to where there are more chances for adoption.)

Second, do you really think that less homeless animals is worse for breeders?
It helps breeders. Less animals to adopt, more needed to sell.
Simple economics of supply and demand.
This is where good breeders, if they were smart, would be doing all they could to help end the homeless pet population.
Less dogs and cats to adopt ---> supply is down, demand and price for purebred puppies and kittens ---> goes up.

While I agree that nutjob AR people like PETA want a world where there are no pets, it will NEVER happen in the United States.
We have something here called the United States Constitution.
It guarantees us the ability to live our lives as we see fit, so long as we do no harm to others.
The AR nuts simply do not have the resources, nor the amount of citizens backing them to ever make this happen.
If they did, they already would have, or they would have tried.

Sunsilver,
My ass bleeds for your friend!
How terrible that she had to spend six months looking for a dog to adopt, AND she had to settle for a one year old dog!!! (OMG!)
This is a travesty! I hope she contacted the proper authorities!!!
What is this world coming to????  (Again, are f'n kidding me???)
If she was that particular then she needs to go BUY a puppy!!!

Can we keep the topic about Schutzhund instead of ridiculous posts like these???

Seriously, OGBS, the spay/neuter A.R. people have a very firm hold on this part of Ontario. Every time I took my breed-quality GSD to the vet for shots or a checkup, they'd offer to give me a quote on having her spayed.

I eventually did have her spayed, as she had a mildly dysplastic hip, but damn if they didn't stop pushing until I'd had it done! 

Why do you think some areas of the U.S. have to import puppies and dogs from other areas to fill the demand for pound puppies?

It's because some areas take spay/neuter very seriously, and others don't!

My friends really wanted a young pup, 8 weeks or a bit older, that's why it took them so long to find a suitable dog. They finally had to settle for one that was nearly a year old. He's a very sweet dog, a boxer/German shepherd cross, that favours the boxer side of his heritage.

The husband (who is from Italy) just couldn't understand why people pay such large sums of money for dogs that come from breeders, so purchasing a dog was out of the question.

OGBS, could you please show where I stated that "less homeless dogs is worse for breeders." you missed the point of my post, but that's ok, cause looks like you got to unload a lot of stuff.
Tell me, in all your stuff you just posted, (I might have missed it) why there is a market for imported homeless adoption dogs?
Do you really believe that the AR and PETA groups don't have the resources to impact dog owners? "..........inStead of ridiculous posts like these." yes, I agree, your post is ridiculous.