Why do they breed them like this? - Page 6

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   I agree, Camp is a handsome dude and is one who can do it all. There are a few out there on both sides of the table. This dog looks like he walks normal (like a dog), looks like he would be agile, looks like his bone is not too heavy or overdone, not over angulated.  I agree GSD's should have SOME angulation, just don't like them to be overdone. I am WL all the way and I also don't like a completely straight back as they can look swayed

Here's a serious question, no bashing intended. I would find this information interesting:

Are there any Work Line Dogs who are VA AND Titled more then a SchH3. FH1 (FH2, IPO3, RH, WPO, PH, etc) and on the same coin, who are the Show Line dogs who are the same, VA with titles more then a SchH3, FH1?

I would venture to guess these would be the ultimate "Total" Package................

Tina

Nope! And i really love a good all black, just do not see a lot of them in the show ring. liz

I would love a dog that has both. This is why I like Shelly T so much. I am no judge of conformation, neither I will offend any one that prefers showline. Not my thing, I won't buy it thats all. I think that some working line are missing the conformation, I would like to see the standard come closer and find a middle ground. I know there is a lot of good looking working dogs, but there is a lot of that should not be bread as well and are still used. Same goes for showline. I don't like that dog but I wouldn't judge him just on one picture. I did notice that worklines are getting longer lately, and show line over angulated. :) we need to correct that before it will start causing problem. You want to see what in my opinion true and correct GSD looks liek look at Shelly T "caro" I think  that is where working line should be heading exact that conformation very correct and beatiful too look at. I would love to see more working lines look like that.

Mirasmom, your 4th generation bitch looks exactly like my first bitch I bought out of the sunday paper want ads for $50 back in the 60's.  She was half german import and half american shepherd.  She had perfect working temperament, was an alpha female and proved her worth many times.  I loaned her to a very good  friend of ours who went to Argentina for work to live with he and his wife and guard their house 24/7.  She thwarted one break-in attempt and protected my friend's wife from an attack on one occasion. We didn't care what she looked like because her temperament was so good.  We spayed her because her joints weren't super clean. Only later when I wanted to breed some puppies for ourselves because all our dogs had died by then, we started studying the breed and how to breed GSDs properly, and learned about the standard and how to use it as a breeding guide.  I quickly then realized I had to save my money and either lease or buy an expensive top quality import bitch (had to start over in order to breed anything worthwhile).  Your bitch has superb pigment.  She does not have good conformation.  But so what, it doesbn't sound like you want to compete in the conformation ring anyway and could care less about the appearance of your GSDs.   

What is really important is whether she is 1)healthy with good joints;  2)has good & correct working temperament;  3) is friendly to your family; 4)has longevity.  Breeding her does nothing for the breed and cannot produce good conformation.  Owning her can do everything for you if the answer to each question above is positive.  Not everyone wants or needs good conformation just as not everyone wants extreme profung ability (which is often too uch for a 24/7 in home family dog or a GSD sold to novices.  What is really important to all is that any dog meets the needs and wants of its owner and has the qualitys of 1-4 above.

Thought your comment on how a curved spine might improve hind legs’ forward reach interesting, Sunsilver – more so insofar lay of croup/pelvis, the main factor determining/limiting arc of rear movement, is meant to comprise a natural/smooth extension thereof.

In that the Standard(s) legitimizes widely diverging styles, types, fads and interpretations, both past and present, as best or further exemplified by daily dog advertisements, its reference value seems academic at best.

The steep drop in height between first pup’s fore and hind hands is show-dog-wise anything but a new development and now seems relatively normal to modern eyes, but where is it so prescribed per Standard?

Where first pup is concerned, K-9mom, missbeeb and Sue-Anne (rear hock not vertical etc) mirror my impressions. Photography and stacking enter into it – trotting should see the pup’s back approach the horizontal, and without undue roaching.

I would have him in our kennel today in a shot, a beautiful puppy.Anyone should be  able to see that  he is overstretched, i am sure if he was standing naturally he would have a very nice top line. He is a baby, a very nice baby!!

Tina, your very last paragraph in your  22:11 post is soooo true, pity we can't all think like that. I have to admit i was surprised to learn the first dog featured was not a puppy but two years old. liz

http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard/12_Type_Comparison/Comparison_Types.html

Thanks Watcher, very interesting reading.