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by amir on 01 May 2009 - 17:05
Did you visit Aachen 2008.? Did you know why people, full crowded stadium, clap hands after Gittano pass performance test there? And the grip is like you said - but they clap. Did you know also why another day full crowded stadium clap again hands in moment when Gittano take first position in second ring? That is not visible on that video. Or you are smarter and much knowledgeable than all that people? Did you attend with your dog on any Sieger show in Germany ever in working class and pass bitework? I do not think so. If you have that experience you will have much more respect, but you have not got.
You can comment bitework technique on that video like you do from an armchair and you can place comment sounds heavy but if you are experienced like you said before, that you have practice of 30 years in GSD, you must have cognition after all that dog is a living being. Dog is not predefined robot or preprogrammed computer. Dog have his own inner and outer space, he breath, eat, think, conclude, feel, fight or handle with his instincts, every second of his short life is unique. We all make game when we exploit his instincts and feelings to control him for some target under some always unique environments and situations. There is no place for deja vuu. No two moments or seconds in any life are same. And we can only compare dogs and talk about dogs which are derived on same event and same kind of event. And that derived dogs can not share same second, same moment, but can make presentation under similar conditions and could be judged in that concurrency. Same dog can work perfectly on his own terrain 100/98/100, on club terrain 90/95/90, after mating serie 80/79/80 on his own terrain and after long trip of thousands kilometers and some other differences he could be drop in situation to just pass. Is it correct or you have some "space" dog? We are all working under all conditions, on many different terrain and conditions but effect and result is not same. Someone will tell that we are talking in that case about excuses but from my point of view we are talking about influences of different environments and conditions.
And statistics are on Gittano side.
- he was on Sieger Shows eight times in Working class in seven different countries (Germany, USA, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Austria, Hungary) and never fail performance test
- he take V62 BSZS, 5XVA1, 1X VA5, 2 X Universal Sieger, V2 (after only 3 VA in class)
- he become Sieger 9-12 months on SVO Austria on same Sieger where Vegas become Sieger in class 12-18 months
- he become Club Sieger V1 more then 20 times under different German SV judges
My partner Nino never see Gittano before dog comes to USA and he for a challenge do with him performance test - not perfect but very, very well on Chicago Sieger. Congratulations Nino!
And Gittano shows in Chicago that he has very strong natural instincts and drives including fight drive. He shows in Chicago that he is outstanding and extraordinary dog.
We can always talk about dogs who questionable pass performance test but Gittano never be part of any of that group.
Amir Isajbegovic
by ShelleyR on 01 May 2009 - 17:05
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-Sorry, couldn't resist
by Mystere on 01 May 2009 - 17:05
Very cute ad for Gittano, btw. It shows that someone associated with Gittano has a very nice sense of humor.
I don't suppose he will be trialed at any of the USA-sanctioned trials this month in Michigan where we can actually see this "outstanding and extraordinary dog" in all three phases? There is a trial scheduled with Werner Rapien in a couple of weeks, and one with Caputo at the end of the month.
by Phil Behun on 01 May 2009 - 18:05
by jettasmom on 01 May 2009 - 19:05
Yes, it was Ronaldo crawling on his belly and it is ironic that no one that was there has not said anything about that. It is like everyone is trying to pretend it did not happen or are praying people will forget about it.. That picture will be in my mind forever. Gittano was not all that and the grips were typical of 90% of the dogs
I too would love to know when these dogs are going to trial on a field besides trotting around the show ring. As far as the clapping goes alot of people clapped at the Chicago show and that is suppose to mean something.
Denise
by Uber Land on 01 May 2009 - 19:05
Other people have also commented that there were soo many VA's awarding because the US is such a big country and it was to give breeders more choices to breed to a good stud. are the males who didn't go VA not good studs? why does a VA title make a dog more breed worthy?
by Mystere on 01 May 2009 - 20:05
by Sheesh on 01 May 2009 - 21:05
by jettasmom on 02 May 2009 - 01:05
You can defend the dog all you want, but what he shown was not a heart of lion. You were not there to see it so IMO you have no comment to make on his performance in Chicago. I too have seen this dog many times outside and inside the show ring, that is why I said what I did. The belly crawling was not because he needed control because he wanted the helper so badly. He walked up to the helper and had the sleeve given to him to bite. his grips were very poor and yes, this has always been his problem. I would hope the dog being with his owner would be ALOT more happy and show the temperment for the work. Now with all the compulsion that has been put on this dog over the years will make him worse but temperment is temperment.
I am not even going to bother to talk about his progeny since I am only referring to the dog himself.
Denise
by sunshine on 02 May 2009 - 02:05
In the meantime I am not a Larus progeny fan. There are just too few out there that have contributed to the breed in a meaningful way. But in my estimation Ronaldo is a very good dog. He is better than his trainers.
Maren
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