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by susie on 21 March 2012 - 22:03
To Blitzen:
I am pretty sure I´m a woman, at least my son calls me "mom"...
To Bob:
Your question is difficult to answer...
I grew up with German Shepherds. My grandpa used them to "empty" his pub at night - real mean dogs. In the age of 15 I started with my first own dog that you would call working line today-no pedigrees at all. At that time sables and bi colors were standard in the clubs. Our dogs and we as their handlers sometimes took care as security in the big football stadiums- muzzle training and "real" bitework in the club, in the woods, in town ( the wild seventies-great!!!). Later on I trained Schutzhund dogs for American brokers, who sold their dogs to Military and Police Departments. During the 80s I was for the first time in my life in the States for a while. To the same time the split between woorking lines and showlines became more public.
When i started training and titling German Shepherds, I said: Never ever I will participate on a dogshow-in 1984 I was participant of my first Siegershow because the showline people in my club saw I was good in handling and stacking dogs.
Most of the clubs in my area forced breeding black and reds, and I need to say, I loved their look. I have been in the stadium when Uran Wildsteiger Land walked in front of his progeny, almost 100 dogs, absolutely impressing!
During the years I learned that there are good dogs and bad dogs. I trained some real strong show line dogs, I saw some real bad working line dogs...the strongest dog I ever handled was an Argus Aducht son sold to the Mississippi Police Department.
I learned that for Schutzhund you don´t need a strong dog - a normal dog without issues trained well and with patience is more than good enough to compete.
Oh, Blitzen, the proof that I AM a real woman, I stick with my dogs, I only sold one female during all these years...they are part of my family...whenever a dog was able to achieve its Schutzhund awards-fine, if not-okay.
During all these years I titled several dogs ( not always my own dogs ), I never bred, I never was participant of the Siegerprüfung ( too lazy, too bad in teaching tracking on a high level - this part of training I´ll never get ). Most of these dogs did a good job, if not, mostly my fault...
Up to 2006 I handled dogs almost everywhere in Europe and in the States, too. Running in circles is a very good training for elder women, keeps fit and slender.
...
Now I´m sitting here thinking about your question, thinking about all these different dogs in my life.
I love to handle a strong dog, but I love to watch a good looking dog, too.
I hate watching working lines, that can´t even trot any more, and I hate showlines that are afraid of the sleeve.
The German Shepherd should look like a Spepherd AND act like a Shepherd.
There have been some dogs in my life, that were both, I loved them to death!
Kind regards/still dreaming
Susie
I am pretty sure I´m a woman, at least my son calls me "mom"...
To Bob:
Your question is difficult to answer...
I grew up with German Shepherds. My grandpa used them to "empty" his pub at night - real mean dogs. In the age of 15 I started with my first own dog that you would call working line today-no pedigrees at all. At that time sables and bi colors were standard in the clubs. Our dogs and we as their handlers sometimes took care as security in the big football stadiums- muzzle training and "real" bitework in the club, in the woods, in town ( the wild seventies-great!!!). Later on I trained Schutzhund dogs for American brokers, who sold their dogs to Military and Police Departments. During the 80s I was for the first time in my life in the States for a while. To the same time the split between woorking lines and showlines became more public.
When i started training and titling German Shepherds, I said: Never ever I will participate on a dogshow-in 1984 I was participant of my first Siegershow because the showline people in my club saw I was good in handling and stacking dogs.
Most of the clubs in my area forced breeding black and reds, and I need to say, I loved their look. I have been in the stadium when Uran Wildsteiger Land walked in front of his progeny, almost 100 dogs, absolutely impressing!
During the years I learned that there are good dogs and bad dogs. I trained some real strong show line dogs, I saw some real bad working line dogs...the strongest dog I ever handled was an Argus Aducht son sold to the Mississippi Police Department.
I learned that for Schutzhund you don´t need a strong dog - a normal dog without issues trained well and with patience is more than good enough to compete.
Oh, Blitzen, the proof that I AM a real woman, I stick with my dogs, I only sold one female during all these years...they are part of my family...whenever a dog was able to achieve its Schutzhund awards-fine, if not-okay.
During all these years I titled several dogs ( not always my own dogs ), I never bred, I never was participant of the Siegerprüfung ( too lazy, too bad in teaching tracking on a high level - this part of training I´ll never get ). Most of these dogs did a good job, if not, mostly my fault...
Up to 2006 I handled dogs almost everywhere in Europe and in the States, too. Running in circles is a very good training for elder women, keeps fit and slender.
...
Now I´m sitting here thinking about your question, thinking about all these different dogs in my life.
I love to handle a strong dog, but I love to watch a good looking dog, too.
I hate watching working lines, that can´t even trot any more, and I hate showlines that are afraid of the sleeve.
The German Shepherd should look like a Spepherd AND act like a Shepherd.
There have been some dogs in my life, that were both, I loved them to death!
Kind regards/still dreaming
Susie
by Blitzen on 21 March 2012 - 22:03
Sorry, Susie!!!
by Dobermannman on 21 March 2012 - 22:03
"I am pretty sure I´m a woman, at least my son calls me "mom"..."
Susie,
I've been called a "mother" by a lot of people so.............................. :-)
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I
Susie,
I've been called a "mother" by a lot of people so.............................. :-)
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I
by susie on 21 March 2012 - 23:03
Blitzen
A lot of men are the better moms...
by Donnerstorm on 22 March 2012 - 00:03
It was said that Jeff O was a trouble maker and enjoys stirring the bees. If that's the case why in the world do you care to respond? If he gets no reaction eventually he'll go ramble somewhere else. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just as we are entitled to think they are an idiot. No need to fuel the fire. If you have nothing to prove than you really don't care what he thinks . Remember the people that know the least always have to know it the loudest.
by hexe on 22 March 2012 - 02:03
Donnerstorm, I admittedly started this thread off of a comment Jeff tossed out in a different thread, but I did so because I REALLY was hoping that Jeff would provide examples of what he's got in mind when he refers to a "serious" dog and a "strong" dog--I was (and still am) especially intrigued by his reference to a woman trying to handle a strong dog that was "someday going to say, make me" when that woman handler gives him a command: just what is this "strong dog" that will work just fine for the woman until one day it decides to refuse to respond? What would be the breeding behind a dog that was suddently unwilling to work for a handler who had been treating him fairly? THESE are the things I had hoped Jeff would illustrate with examples of specific "strong" and "serious" dogs...but so far, many pages of posts, and no examples from Jeff.
by Donnerstorm on 22 March 2012 - 02:03
Hexe, I didn't mean to direct that comment at the start of the thread, I apologize if that is how it came off. I was just noticing several people that were obv upset by some of the remarks that were being made by Jeff, and it seems that is his intent. Those were the people that I had made the comment too. It wasn't ment as a slam to them just the advice that sometimes the best response to ppl like that is to give no response.
by Slamdunc on 22 March 2012 - 02:03
Hexe,
I think Jeff posted a video of his dog as an example of a dog that wouldn't work for a woman. I posted the entire video, not just the snippet that Jeff posted. That was part of my point, the training of the dog. To be clear, I think the dog is a good dog. Buko would have to be a good dog to tolerate jeff's training methods.
I think Jeff posted a video of his dog as an example of a dog that wouldn't work for a woman. I posted the entire video, not just the snippet that Jeff posted. That was part of my point, the training of the dog. To be clear, I think the dog is a good dog. Buko would have to be a good dog to tolerate jeff's training methods.
by hexe on 22 March 2012 - 02:03
Donnerstorm, no apology necessary--no offense taken. :)
by wanderer on 24 March 2012 - 02:03
Some of the women handlers, highly successful internationally in recent years, who have had to find intelligent ways to handle some of the top dogs, and as they are all small sized, needed to find ways that did not involve overpowering large dogs. No one could say they did not succeed:
Sharon Ronen
Michaela Knoche
Jenny Seefeld
Susanne Tunturi
Mia Skogster
Sharon Ronen
Michaela Knoche
Jenny Seefeld
Susanne Tunturi
Mia Skogster
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