Speaking of shit floating to the top- - Page 6

I believe she also gave Hesler the benefit of the doubt when Amanda was found in Heslers care with half her stomache hanging,ROTTED OUT. That there is reason all on it's own not to turn over a dog. (I am only on page 2)

Betty's point about the gamble is my exact feeling on it. I have turned people down for dogs because of things I'd heard/seen, and I may have been wrong or too hard on them, but you just can't take that chance. I felt badly for them in case I was wrong,  but a dog who is totally reliant upon them for all aspects of their care is not what you experiment with to see if the rumors are true.  To see someone just not care, and have this c'est la vie attitude about it is sickening. 

Just to refresh your memory on how well Tim Hesler was looked upon by everyone but.....
for what was, or should I say wasn"t done, for Adre and Amanda


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=330777&pagen=5

GRAPHIC Help Save Amanda Canyon Life ! /Houserhaus, Lorenzo Williams GRAPHIC !!! by eichenluft on 17 September 2009 - 22:09	eichenluft Post: 2184 of 3134 Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 06:19 pm
Thanks Tim.

Steve Leigh had Molly "Grafts" number TEN years ago
http://www.sl-prokeys.com/wffcw/mg_liar.htm

Thomas Barriano
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You got that right Thomas, maybe now others will see the forrest for the trees.

Molly is not honest.

I'd like everyone to watch the video on her page (link is above and below) and SEE the hanging, strangling dog with his feet off the ground, passing out, unable to get back up on the table.

http://www.sl-prokeys.com/wffcw/mg_liar.htm

Nobody SANE would hang a dog.  It just isn't done.
After using the all the tables for many years, it is very offensive to be accused of any form of cruelty. 

Cruelty never was part of my life or my dog training life.

Grasp this idea: if I DID the things that Molly lies about, I WOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY - I would be a CONVICTED FELON.

The majority of my table videos are working WITH police officers, and the others, there were police officers THERE - waiting to work with their dogs.

I don't think anyone needs to be a genius to believe that IF I was cruel and abusive, the police WOULD have locked me up - instantly.

Please watch the video - and you'll see for yourself. 

PLEASE READ the text in the box with the video link.  Even if you don't read the page, PLEASE read that text .... I really appreciate it. 

Steve

So let me get this straight, you are calling Molly a liar because she chose not to email you a video she claimed she had that showed a dog dangling off the ground being strangled by you and Gene England.  Is this correct? 

Sorry, but if the video on your website did anything for me, it made me think maybe Molly might be correct in her assessment of your training methods and the possibility of an abusive video may indeed exist.  What I see in the video is a bunch of bullies forcefully getting a dog to obey as if he was some kind of slave and you guys were all powerful masters.  And then when he does obey you give him praise as if that is what the dog is wanting.  This dog is only reacting out of fear and based on this video it wouldn’t surprise me at all you guys have done much worse to animals when the cameras weren’t rolling.  I see no respect for animals at all on the part of either one of you in the video.  

Now, I don’t necessarily agree with Molly considering euthanizing a perfectly fine GSD, but if you think this video is going to sway public opinion against her, I think you are grossly mistaken.

Sorry DobermanMan, wrong link to use if you were trying to make some kind of point here.

Maywood,

The video NEVER existed. At least nothing showing what Molly claimed. That's why she COULDN'T not wouldn't or choose not to, COULDN'T produce it.  Gene England is one of the best trainers around and has the record to prove it. There was nothing abusive in the video that Steve showed. If you thinlk there is? Then I think you need to go cut up some hot dogs and "charge" your clicker. I think I hear your phone ringing......probably Phyllis
Newkirk?

Thomas Barriano

Oh yeah Molly still gave an aggressive dog to Tim, who will use it to advertise his scam business IF it doesn't eat one of his kids first :-(

Maywood wrote:

"What I see in the video is a bunch of bullies forcefully getting a dog to obey as if he was some kind of slave and you guys were all powerful masters."

That's correct. The dog had a job - he was a working police K9.  
He was some kind of slave, and was EXPECTED to OBEY when given a command by his all powerful handler, also known as "a bunch of bullies".
Most - if not all - working dogs are expected to obey.  Maybe not in your world, but there are a few others that demand obedience.

However, the dog CHOSE not to obey, after repeated commands, and attempts at being physically pushed into a down.
I'm sorry we didn't call you, so you could rush over, and show us the correct way to handle that situation.

I have a special wish for you, Maywood. I hope you REALLY need the police one day.
Exactly like the police dog ignored his handler in my video, I hope the responding officer ignores the call.

Enjoy your hot dogs!

Steve