another drago thread - Page 6

@vk4gsd

"TP, that dog you posted that is more up your alley, i would not call that strong guarding either, just a friendly nice very high drive dog, with a nice grip.

 

i do like the dog, but possesive guarding??? i think not.

 

seriously my dog would have took the old guy out on the way into the blind just for fun and there is no way that decoy would be off balance with his face reaching over the table at the dog tied to a post, geez the face would be removed and spat at him, it gave me shivers just watching that." 

 

Ok is my answer. 

 

@ BlackMalinois

"Thanks for explanation and good to read you are interested in KNPV GSD,

But watching videos or training KNPV is very difference  to give an honest observation

I,m wondering this days how many  experts giving  opinion from a dog for only watching a small video

I know Ranger  I have trained same KNPV club  its not a very strong or dominant dog for civil or LE jobs and  the guarding is not extreme

sharp  or dominant  but its ok I have seen better, but I have seen a lot GSD this days who lacks for REAL  guarding."

 

I gave my opinion based on the small video. Nonetheless, it was enough for you - who have worked the dog in person - to confirm "its not a very strong or dominant dog for civil or LE jobs and the guarding is not extreme sharp or dominant but its ok I have seen better...". 

I have never said the dog wasnt ok. What I have said is that he isnt an extraordinary dog...it's quite noticeable in the video. 

My standards are a bit high when evaluating/looking at a dog, for I believe you cannot produce excellence if you do not have a critic eye when looking at an animal.  

 

@vk4gsd: 

"blackmal, the term knpv gsd is misleading, it gives the impression to the learner that knpv is some special lines, sure the training is different but knpv dogs and ipo dogs are the same lines, knpv gsd does not exist without ipo brood stock.

people that import knpv gsd to breed outside of holland as something different are taking advantage of knpv reputation to sell puppies, marketting BS like the border patrol dogs.

just wanted to make the point for the newbs.

i don't train either but a middle schooler that has never even seen a dog can look at the pedigrees and confirm what i say."

 

Both BlackMalinois and I are aware of the term "KNPV GSD".

You, on the other hand, may not be familiar with what we're discussing here. You can find 3 generation deep GSDs with nothing but KNPV certifications.... They arent a "KNPV GSD", but certainly descend from GSDs which hold KNPV certifications. 

My breeding stock's pedigree is composed mostly of dogs with KNPV certificates and/or being trained in KNPV. 

Please do not compare the work being done by dedicated dutch breeders that put time into their dogs, in order to obtain a KNPV certificate, to the "Border Patrol" legend. The KNPV certification is happening nowadays... 

What do you train in? 

 

 

 

 

 

Vk, most any gsd can be trained to pass IPO. Doesn't take any special dog for that. But it's my understanding, that it takes a dog with good nerves and a certain amount of hardness to accomplish knpv. For people who know that an IPO title does not necessarily indicate a dog of breeding quality, knpv is more able to weed out the dogs that must be babied along to pass ipo. Jmo.

Any sport at high level demands a quality dog. 

Dont think WUSV podium dogs are any less than others... 

I know of IPO clubs that do not baby/waste time training weak dogs. 

And again with the IPO bashing from someone who knows nothing about it. 

 

Sigh, I so hope that the Drago lineage in the US is not runed by over breeding by the time I am ready for a pup. 

It is nice to see dogs in other venues similar to IPO.   Novice question:  What is the point of the dog barking at the decoy in the blind?  What is it suppose to demonstrate?

@mklevin:

Seems very common around here. People posting as experts, when their inexperience shines through every word typed.

@fawndallas, 

For me, it shows a lot of the dog's natural disposition and character. When you see a dog that is considered STRONG vs a WEAK one... you will understand the reasons behind it. 

That is why I said the Drago son is nothing extraordinary (in my point of view). 

@TP WLGSD

Yes it does.