Time to Enforce the Rules for the USA Sieger Show

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by DeesWolf on 27 April 2008 - 23:04

Thank you to the members who have contacted me via email or through PM with your membership numbers! That is a big help. We continue to gather signatures, both on the online petition and the live ones.

Thank you!!!!

Dee Clark

by DeesWolf on 28 April 2008 - 11:04

Today is another day! A good day to add your name and membership number to the petition! Discussion continues on this, and it has been very good discussion. We are very encouraged that the names continue to be added.

One might determine by looking at the list of names why some names are not there. I think we can safely determine that there are a folks who still think that the only way some dogs will make V or VA is if the rules are not followed. That to me is more telling than anything else. It is very sad when one's own integrity has a price, dignity and respect. Plus, all of that is at a cost of the breed, the breed we are guardians for.

Let's continue to have good discussions, spread the word, and remind people because the RULES have been IGNORED and we have sat complacent about it, we are just as guilty. Now we have an opportunity to do something about it. Why wouldn't you add your voice to the effort?

Dee

by DeesWolf on 28 April 2008 - 11:04

It has been brought to my attention from a few people that when they were at the petition site to add their name, they were asked for a donation. That has to do with ipetitions and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with this petition/USA/or me! You can click right through that. I believe there is a spot on that pop up that says no, you click that and it takes you where you need to be. Some folks are getting it and some are not. Again, I repeat, there is no requirement of a donation to add your name to the petition! Thank you to those who have pointed out that it might be causing some people not to add their name. VERY GOOD POINT! If anyone is concerned about that, you have another option. You can email me with your NAME, MEMBERSHIP NUMBER, EMAIL ADDRESS, and any comments you want added, and I can do it, so you avoid the harassment of the donation pop up!

by Stonehaus on 28 April 2008 - 16:04

I am disappointed in the fact that only 200 people have signed this petition. The hundreds who come to this site and say they are here for the breed and they want this and that. This is the right time to stand with others and make a statement. Fill out the form! You do not have to donate. Just click next. This is a chance for everyone to have some oversight on what is going on in these so called trials of the German Shepherd Dog. Send this petition out to other USA members and stay on them if you know they feel the same way. People around the world are laughing at us because of this mockery of a trial now on video to see. This is about the breed and the future of the UScA organization.

by Deejays_Owner on 28 April 2008 - 17:04

Its sad the breed can NOT be the best it can BE, because of people with NO integrity!!!

by Blitzen on 28 April 2008 - 17:04

Ditto, Dejay's Owner.

by Stonehaus on 28 April 2008 - 17:04

Again here are the video's of the 2008 SS.

by hodie on 28 April 2008 - 21:04

I have been the black sheep for years in this sport and that includes among show people. I had only show dogs and was fighting tooth and nail to bring some sense to working line fanatics who railed against the show line dog, regardless of whether it could or could not do the work. No one supported me in any way. If one speaks out, you are in trouble, one way or another. That is why some people won't sign. But........

Now, most of what you are observing with the lack of some who clearly should be on that petition is the fact of the matter. The FACT IS, that the show line people are ignorant or complacent or both. They actually like the status quo. And besides, if they speak out, they speak out against their own dog/s poor work in so many cases. So what happens? When they have an opportunity to speak up on an issue of vital importance, about what is and is not acceptable work and enforcement of existing rules, they remain silent. It does not take a genius with a supposed (yes ask me if I believe it) IQ of 160. Because it is NOT in their interests to actually train so that a given dog can do the work. It is only about one thing and that is money. Show and rank high, and sell lots of dogs....who cares if it is a dog with a temperament akin to some other breed.

Those whose names are missing from that petition are blatantly evident. Do I think anything will come of the petition? Frankly, based on 9 or so years of membership in this organization, NO I do not. Why? Well, that is another story altogether and my time is limited as I have dogs to train. But for people to stand back and not speak up or stand up shows just how corrupted the entire system is. Further, it suggests those who have not signed like it just the way it is as well. A few don't know better or simply just want to work their dog and have fun and/or they do not give a hoot about any of this or the politics.

I can make a list of those in this region and who post on this web site with a lot of BS who have show line dogs and who always BS to say how much they think a dog should work, how good their dogs are etc., but they are not here. Maybe all of us should start posting those names and, and as in some prior threads, "call them out". Then you will really have some fun as they try to justify why they won't speak up.

Signing anonymous is not helpful either. Either have the cajones to speak up and be counted, or don't. Anonymous gets you nowhere.

Finally, I guarantee that there will be repercussions from this. Not only will the person who took and posted these videos be roundly criticized, but so will the person beginning the petition, and yes, sadly, if you signed your name, you will hear about it from the "good ol' boys and girls" in one way or another.

This is such an important issue, and even working line folks should be here signing and are not. It is about one thing....the requirements for the protection work and even-handed enforcement of the rules.

It is a pathetic state of affairs.

by DeesWolf on 28 April 2008 - 22:04

"Maybe all of us should start posting those names and, and as in some prior threads, "call them out". "

Hodie, your quoted statement above is NOT what I think should happen nor is it what I want to happen. No one's hand should be forced into adding their name. It is a choice. Either you believe the Rules have not been followed, or you do believe they have been followed, or you do not have an opinion. I personally, do not want to see a posting of names that have not signed. I am more interested in the names that will be added, BY CHOICE, and we will see that increase, I am sure. Besides we know who has signed and who has not.

It has been pointed out to me by someone I have great respect for, that I have probably typed a few things, that although I believe them, I have probably cut off my nose to spite my face. (My words, not their's) When the discussion of this began there were a few of us who said, yes, let's do a petition, let's get the word out and help make change. That is still the intent. I do believe, since it has been pointed out to me, I may have let my personal passion for the breed and the working of the breed, lead me to say and type things I probably should not have, all for the purpose of encouraging others to sign.

We did not want finger pointing, name calling and such. Even I have gotten carried away. As often as I reminded others that the reason of the petition was to bring attention to the Rules not being followed. We hoped we would be able to bring about change. This is about the rules not being followed, that hasn't changed. I changed, I became more aggressive, and typically, that is not who I am. My sincerest and deepest apologies to anyone who thought I was personally attacking them.

"Finally, I guarantee that there will be repercussions from this. Not only will the person who took and posted these videos be roundly criticized, but so will the person beginning the petition, and yes, sadly, if you signed your name, you will hear about it from the "good ol' boys and girls" in one way or another."

I debated long and hard over whether or not I would post the petition. When I realized I would have a hard time looking at myself in the mirror if I did not stand up, I knew I had to. I, too, have been complacent over the years and knew the rules were not followed. I did not stand up then. The repercussions? well, everything has repercussions. Look where being complacent has gotten us.

All we wanted is for the rules to be followed. That is still what we want, what I want.

by hodie on 28 April 2008 - 23:04

Dee.

I have no intention of posting names, but they know who they are and they are not true guardians of the breed. I have already heard much about the videos being posted. I have already heard about your posting the petition. So the bottom line is, yes, this will do NOTHING and it will have been a wasted effort, once again. Complacency IS the name of not only this game, but American society in general. There are no consequences any more. Everyone wants something for nothing, and few have any ethics.

As for your statement "It is a choice. Either you believe the Rules have not been followed, or you do believe they have been followed, or you do not have an opinion." There are other options.... but I will drop it.

As plenty of people have and will continue to point out, rules are not rules in this organization. Want to bet? I would bet that you do not get 400 names out of 4000 members. Why? Not because your cause is not just, but because of all we have already stated and agreed upon.

Your passion, my passion, I guarantee you, is defined very differently than the majority involved.

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