ethical breeding - Page 7

4pack  Whats meeting the right guy have anything to do with putting a schH 3 on your dog?    I have heard every excuse in the book from you as to why you can't title your dog.    Sometimes you have to get out there and get a little dirty and work hard to get a title not just sit on the computer banging away all day about nothing.  Put your purse down honey and start training.   I'm not talking that VA bullshit either.  Working bloodlines from Koerd dogs bred the German way.

bgstout, kiss my ass. I "am" titling my dog, just not in Schutzhund. I ought to hit you upside the head with my purse! I'm saying someone would have to drag me to a Sch club in order for me to do it right now. Maybe clubs are better elsewhere but I have been to the ones around here and they aren't my crowd. Bothering with Sch would be a waste of my time and money "unless" I really enjoyed it because the sport I do compete in is harder in the bitework phase and shows more character in the dog.

Wow, guys & girls, I didn't mean to kick of a fight !
What I dont understand is, why you always try to point out how easy it is to get all this "low standart training" done, and how it is only a routine. And to top it off, of course this mainly applys to "showline dogs & peopel", it could not be further from the truth. I have been around a bit, but to say it is a brise to get a dog to a SchH3 and Kkl, well, I guess I lived on a different planet than you !  I have seen dogs with 6x SchH 3, messing up the 7th time, even a routine requires ongoing training, and that does not come for free. A dog has to learn the basics, no matter if show or workingline. At that I have seen experienced handlers do it all, and be done at 20month, and I have seen newbies that needed 30 month. And yes routine is involved, but that's how a dog will learn it. And you need a standart to judge and compare the single animal. And yes, there are showlines that dont have the drive, just as there are workinglines that dont have it. That is just a given, there would yet have to be someone to prove me otherwise.
4pack, the only way that you would be able to research a certain line is, that you have info you can do your research on. This info is provided to you through these registrys. Even if you would breed without a SchH or Kkl, you should know what lines you are dealing with. Without this knowledge, you are not talking about breeding, your are talking about multiplying the population. Wlthout all the info, that is most readily used, you would not even know if you are breeding "pure" GSD blood. This is what I call, watering down the genepool of our breed. Picture it, the pups out of an unpedigreed ( or untiteld) paring will not get a pedigree, not all of them will be capabal of doing "the real" work, they will be family pets, maybe some of them will get bred as well.......... I am sure you know what direction this will go. And last but not least, I guess I have wasted a lot of time then with SchH, and I will happily continue to waste my time with SchH, but guess what, I dont regret a minute of it ! If you really want to train your dog for other porposes, a good foundation would be SchH.
Hey, now I really want to point out that I am not trying to bash anybody, my experience is that most Americans will do what they want anyway,
I guess, what I am trying to point out is, that this breed is what it is, because of keeping a certain standart and mantaining this standart. And yes, not all of it was always good, but to put it mildly, way better than having everybody just doing what they want. If it would not be like it is, we would NOT have :
1. an extended knowlege of the genepool of the different lines
2. Pedigrees that can be followed back for generations
3. knowledge about hipps & ellbows
4. knowledge about which animal is breedworthy or suitible to do the work
5. we would not have the knowledge about research and the funds provided  for reasearch
6. the opurtunity to actually prove the ancesters of our dogs by DNA
What make's it so hard to admit to those things ? The only way to mantain these things are, to follow a standart.
Regards Ulli
 

4pack maybe your dog could title in Schutzhund.  Maybe its the handler that is a fear biter, lacks courage but has over the top food drive. 

  By the way you responded that if you met the right guy you might change your toon. I take it you show some BALL drive also!  LOL

Wow, no lack of sheep here. Try thinking outside the Schutzhund box for a moment. I hardly think any dog I own, will be "watering" down the breed Sch3 or not! I have no probalem getting down and dirty with my dogs at training and I do 95 % of my OB at home, myself, with no help. Never in a million years would it take me 30 mos to get my dog through Sch. I'm not that slow and my dog can learn as fast as it is taught to him. The bitework is already there, good solid OB is already there, the routine and the slow tracking is all we would need to work on.

Your not getting it guys. Sch is not the only sport out there anymore and if I don't enjoy it, why on earth would I put myself and my dog through it for hours a couple days a week? Because that's the way it's done in Germany? LOL This ain't Germany.

 Quote: I'm already there Jeffy.

Michelle????

http://www.psak9.org/

http://www.ringsport.org/

http://www.usmondioring.org/

http://www.appdak9.com/

http://users.skynet.be/hexental/belringsport.htm

http://www.knpv.nl/

I'm still waiting and hoping that KNPV trials or something close to them can be done here in the USA.

Yes

4pack, I'm lmao you tell em.  I love SchH but it is not the only dog sport.  If there was a ring sport or PSA club in se VA I might get into it as well.  I think my dog could do it.  If you ever get out this way I'll decoy for you with a suit, sleeve or muzzle work.  I like GSD's that work and from your pictures that I've seen I think he works just fine.

Jim 

Thanks Jim, your ways out a little ways...lol but I'd be there if I could. I like giving my dog fresh meat to chew on.

I'm really excited about Baden right now. When people who haven't seen him in awhile, have to push their eyes back in their head after working him, momma has to be pround. Our TD is talking Regionals and Nationals already and I haven't even got my 1. Guess I better pass huh? No pressure Michelle.... Here I was "I'm just here to have fun, screw trialing." Somebody a couple years ago, told me "you'll get hooked after the first try, you wait and see". Guess I'm seein'.