Calling you out.....Let's see some video - Page 7

The main problem is that is was not a dog, it was an 8 month old puppy. Under the same circumstances a HAMSTER will charge and bite. Is that training in defense, or just making some poor fuzzy animal fight because it believes its life is in jeopardy? Trust me, I KNOW from experience that a cuddly hamster WILL try to take you out, under the right, self-preservation mode circumstances. That a puppy would do the same is not surprising. It is distrubing and sickening that a puppy was in that situation. Even worse, the handler, an experienced multi-titling handler, thought it was good training. I was a real newbie at the time, but I had enough sense, and sense of responsibility for and to my dog, that I refused to allow that "training" to be accorded my puppy.

I don't think I could stand by and watch someone do that, I'd go to jail for breaking their neck or at least trying.

i have been to no less than a dozen different schutzhund clubs and have never seen anything close to what is being described here.   it would be my guess that this type of extreme training is done by people who do not know any better type of training.    of course we also know that it  only takes one bad apple to spoil the  bunch.  unfortunately  the bad word spreads like wildfire, while the good  only smolders.

john

I've seen this type of training being done by groups who get together for PP work.  they never get together to do obed. or tracking, just bitework.  and most of their dogs are extremely unstable, very nervy.  I consider them dangerous dogs.  most of the owners are ego maniacs and the handlers and helpers no nothing about actualy training.  as long as the dog acts tough and bites they think it is a great dog.


I have been to several reputable clubs in North Texas and have never seen this type of behavior. the old OGTEXOMA group and the group who gets together in Dallas. germlehaus kennel and many others train there.

Nice videos people!

I made a post up like this before, cuz it gives people an idea of who has any clue of what they are talking about....

Mystere--I know who you train with so 'nuff said right there. Always enjoy your input.

Jenni--I called you out for a reason. You have never done bitework, so should not be offering "opinions" on a sunject yuou know nothing about. Why don't you ask questions and learn?

E collars worn 2-3 at a time, on bellies and flanks,

Common usage of the e-collar on very hard dogs. Especially in Belgium. There are several reasons for it. Most of the time it is because a very hard dog that gets correction around the neck will only fight harder. Another reason is because it turns the dog away from the decoy and speeds the recall.

They say the dogs are too "high-drive" to live in the house;

You probably saw French line Malinios that are bred for absoulte rediculous drive. My dog I have now comes down from some of the best French lines. I guarantee you 100% you could not and would not want my dog living in your house. They are not genetically imbalanced they are bred for a specific purpose; sport, police, and military work. They are not "pets" Just because a dog does not ive in a house does not mean they are not loved or do not have a good relationship with their handlers.

allowed anyone to physically "whale on" any of my dogs.

I bet you are talking about some of the stick work in FR. Well guess what that is part of the sport. Ring 3 stick work is no joke, and is not supposed to be. We are supposed to be testing these dogs and the sport dictates the decoy is to try and prevent the dog from biting as well as testing their resolve. That is what the sport is. sorry if you do not like it.

If you are talking about physical correction. Again the types of dogs you have no comprehention of what they are. I don't train like that but I do not have a dog that is hard enough to warrant it either. If you go to France, Belgium, or Holland Many trainers there do kick the shit out of there dogs. Why? Because many of these dog will flat eat you if you give them an inch. Again, dogs you have no comprehension of. Dogs bred to serve a purpose and sorry if you don't agree with that purpose. But who the hell are you on your high horse? I personally think people who want these "pets" are the ones who "FUCK UP" these majestic animals, but hey whatever floats your boat.

So the point being, if you don't know of what you are speaking, close your mouth and open your ears. You won't hear me offering my opinion or telling people who to do herding cuz I would not know what the hell I was talking about.

Now that the point has been made. Lets keep the videos coming.

I know these have been seen many times but I can't call people out and not produce.......

http://www.youtube.com/user/bretta1970

For some reason today, everyone took pics instead of videos. I should have some new ones to share in a week or two.

Ok folks lets see what else is out there. I always love watching videos. Might learn something new.

Hey Jennie...

You know nothing of how many days a week Inges is kenneled nor are you any EXPERT to having an opinion. In stead of being a follower get all of your information before you make an opinion.  Opinions are like assholes ...you know the rest.  If you don't know don't comment.  For all of you ....HE DID NOT REBITE!!!!!!!!!!!

To all who have commented on this and were not there:

Straight from the grape vine....someone who was there and witnessed what happened.  For starts, Frank owned more hard dogs then most of the people on this message board .  As far as Inges being too hard for him he's owned Inges for 1 1/2 years and and has been working Inges in personal protection and has put Inges in EVERY scenario possible without incident.  This was an inexperienced helper and mistake on Frank's part.  None of you have EVER seen Frank with Inges, as I have for the past 1 1/2 years and he has COMPLETE respect and CONTROL over this dog.  This was a freak accident as there was an inexperienced helper on the field who was not aware and was not familiar with Inges.  Inges DID NOT ATTACK Frank, HE ALSO DID NOT REBITE .Frank unfortunately did not move out of the way fast enough when Inges came in.  Again, NONE of you have ever seen Inges in action.  He is a VERY QUICK and powerful dog and this was something that if an experienced helper had been on the field it would have NEVER happened.  The only lesson that should be learned is.... NEVER put an inexperienced helper on the field with a dog of Inges' calibur.  Mr. Yahoo you seen to know alot of nothing if you are a member of our club, I would LOVE to see you approach Frank in person on Sunday.  Believe me Mr. Yahoo you will leave the field in much worse condition than Frank left last week.  Something I would love to see............P.S.  If you want to mention Tom Trainor, maybe you should know that he got 24 stitches in his leg tracking a dog and he happens to be one of the best handlers out there.   It has nothing to do with being an inexperienced handler when you are out on the field with a dog of Inges calibur you have to be on point at all times.  If you make a mistake he'll make you pay!!!!