another drago thread - Page 7

@fawn

The barking shows how a dog responds to stress and conflict as well as their internal strength.  It is difficult for a dog to lock eyes with a person and bark for 30+ seconds to the exclusion of the handler and the judge.   Someone else mentioned that some dogs just bark at a higher pitch than other dogs, while this is true, there is so much more to evaluating the bqrking than just pitch.  Part of my problem with KNPV is that they have the dogs barking at the backside of the helper which avoids the conflict inherent in the guarding in the front. 

This is a very good post. Pretty much sums it up. 

@ mklevin, 

IMO, eye contact is not enough to generate stress in a strong dog... In a weak dog, yes...but not the type of dog (Im hoping) we're discussing here. 

What I like to see is a dog that guards with authority...he is in charge of the situation and acts accordingly. He wants to fight and dominate...all the body language gives that impression. The pitch of the bark is nothing in the overall picture of the dog I'm talking about. 

This type of dog will not have a problem whether guarding in the front or in the back of the decoy. 

Let's also not forget the courage test in KNPV...walking straight into the dog, stick hit before the bite... This will give you an overall picture of the dog. 

I agree that with the strong dogs it won't matter.  A strong dog is going to assert himself regardless of the situation or the training venue used.   I think that for the dogs who are not strong though, it does make it easier for them.  The dog Ranger for example,  I wonder how his guarding would change if he guarded in front and had more conflict to deal with.

(I just figured the dog liked barking at someone's rear or that the decoy's rear made a sound )

 

Thank you for the explaination.

I wonder how a dog like Glenn would do in KNPV stick attack, where he is confronted by an aggressive decoy and no sleeve with which to run off the field.

Top trainers like Robbie don't usually bother training dogs that can be intimidated.

 

I'd bet money he'd do just fine.

Problem with people like you is that you have no idea how to "Balance" a dog.    Your idea of a good dog is one that is unbalanced and as such is pretty much unusable.  Just like the video you posted a while back of your dog. 

Just because a dog is balanced you make the mistake of believing he is weak when in reality the balanced dog is the strong dog.  He doesn't have to be out to kill everybody, he has innate confidence that allows him to relax in prey drive and go back into aggression when needed.  Just like the other comment about someone's dog biting everyone on the table.  That dog has no use either.  He's indiscriminate. 

If you had really been around IPO dogs, the helper comes threatening at the dog on the long attack and in training we are sticking them before the grip, during and sometimes after. 
 

Exactly, koach. The premise of comparing elements of one discipline with another is misleading, at best.

OK, Matt, you're the king. You even know what I think based on a video. You're awesome. Make up your mind, my dog is good as you said when I posted the video, or, because you dislike me, he is unstable. I think the unstable one here, is you. Either that, or you are a hypocrite..... doesn't matter either way to me. I take you for what you present....