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I see a video of a dog that can be irritated and NOT be handler agressive.  I also see a couple posters who have a need to make a big deal out of it.

Daryl,

 Being one of those posters, do you see this type of agitation being beneficial to a dog?

Not at all.  It's a demonstration for the viewer, not training.

  I'm not trying to lure you into a fight here, but this is teaching a dog to be possessive and it will carry over into training when the dog is guarding. I have no doubt Tiekerhook dogs are awesome, but after seeing a video like this and hearing things like "these dogs can only be handled by a few people in the world and they're super hard dogs, I wonder how many of these super hard behaviors are the result of training?

Depending on how you define hardness, I reckon. My Tiekerhook dog maintains a great enthusiasm to interact; whether under pressure from the helper in his insistance to dominate uncomfortable or overwhelming situations, or pressure from myself and not shut down in his deliberate will to please me.
 
If you can train that into a dog, I wouldn't know how, or want even want to.  I don't really believe you can, but importantly because I'm a breeder, I want to reproduce on what's naturally in the dog, and see no point in attempting to artificially build what's not already there.

But really, at this point a baby could handle my dog, and that probably has a bit to do with breeding and upbringing both.  Since I want the dog to WANT to be cooperative, I'm not unnecessarily hard in my handling.

I guess I'm "one of the few", wherever that idea came from.  Raising my Tiekerhook dog from pre-adolescence into adulthood did however require a devout sense of situational awareness from myself, until he could learn to better regulate self control of his extreme prey drive.

By adulthood, like any dog should, he had experienced a multitude of social situations which helped develop a very sensible threat discriminatory sense, learned to identify what I designate as inappropriate behavior, improved his concentration and biting coordination, and developed a good sense of communication with his handler.

I couldn't ask for a better dog, and I've owned dozens that weren't even close in comparison.

Note:   The one man on here who knows Tiekerhook backwards and forewards and took the first one imported here to top  so many times years back....had very little to say on the subject.../???????????????

just noticing...

I had a son from That same TIEKERHOOK....I had no problems handling him or his progheny..of course, I lost a few fingernails, a few holes in my stomach where he missed the target...my fault..and a few battle scars on legs , arms and   new teeth  ....dentures....lol






YR

YR, are you talking about Greg??????If so I've had a dog from him in which the mother was a daughter of Orthos. Very nice female!!

Daryl,
If Koos had titled his video, "These are my dogs that can be stupidly irritated by me while they are eating and still not be handler agressive", then the video might be of use to someone.
That isn't the title of his video, though, is it?
The title is "Food Drive" by Koos Hassing.
I still don't get it. Who in the hell would flank their dog or kick it while it is eating?
This looks like backwoods bulls#!t and will certainly appeal to that mentality.
What a great video this is for some kid just geting in to the breed to see on "one of the best breeders' " web site.
A lot of the so-called experts on here always like to bring up the point of whether a dog will protect its owner, or, not. What I would like to see in this video is some guy come on to his property and assault him while the "food drive" is happening. Do you think the dog will protect Koos in this situation, or, will it say, "Thank God someone finally came to take care of this asshole so I can finish eating!"?

For those wanting to know more about "Food Drives", every year at this time your local food pantry is holding a "Food Drive" to help feed the poor and homeless. Please donate.

Honestly, I don't know what Koos was thinking, though I wouldn't stretch it out of proportion.  A dog under distraction/irritation, while remaining on task, vigorously eating...  Maybe not the best video title, but you can't say it doesn't involve food drive on some level.
 
There's lots of approaches that could be taken to demonstrate food drive, even methods with a "positive" tone, and politically correct, if that pleases your "mentality".  But you can't blame Koos for other people's idiocy.  Can't fix stupid.

I don't hear you shooting down protection sports because some "backyard helper" is going to pick up a sleeve and work their own dog, trying to emulate what the certified professionals are doing.  I've been to helper seminars, and closely watched and learned everything that was said and demonstrated.  But I still wouldn't try going it alone, without guidance and an observer to correct me as I learn the motions.  Neither would I emulate Koos without understanding the purpose behind his actions.  Nor would I criticize him.  I have little doubt that dog would protect him, and loved him.  Hard dogs don't get all butt hurt, or turn down a good fight.

Because of the deep level of disrupted sensitivity you're displaying, I think you have a hardon for the man, and you could just explain why that is?  You attempted to draw negative attention to this same video in another thread only two days ago.

This is hilarious. Folks that have been on this board for less than a year are berating one of the best working (police K9 and schutzhund) dog trainers in the world.  This man has forgotten more about dog training than most posters will learn in their life time. Because you do not understand something does not make it wrong.  Because you have never seen it done does not make it BS.  If you do not understand something, how about e-mailing the person (in this case Mr. Hassing) what was the purpose of what he was doing.  Until you come up with credentials to prove or disprove, your observations, everything said is just an opinion based on YOUR lack of knowledge and education in training.

Kyle