Boban vom grauen Monstab - Page 9

Gustav, OK, now that I am thinking more on the subject, you would be correct in your thinking, and I am confusing the FERAL Dog with a rage syndrome dog. A feral dog would be closer in personality to the wolf and the desire/willingness to wait for his opportunity to take over. Where as the true rage dog has a temperment problem due to medical condition. However, how many dogs out there are excused, because of handler issues, when infact???

I just watched the videos that Tim Helser recommended for view on the website offered up in his above post. The camera was right on the dog--not a football field away. I watched them 3x. I don't see it--I don't see an uncontrollable, nutsy, vicious dog. In the first video, the helper in the blind even turns from watching the dog to view the man walking toward the blind. If the dog was so dangerous, his eyes wouldn't have wavered from that dog's position. In the 4th video, the dog turns from handler when returning with sleeve. There is no relationship at all between those two. (Why?--not going there--could just be bad chemistry. Was that the original owner?) Anyway, the dog made me laugh. He's full of himself. It could easily be inferred from some of the above posts that the dog is dangerous. Any negative input will damage the dog's rep, and with all the available studs out there, I can see why some might look elsewhere. The videos didn't turn me off--I would have to see him for myself, but I like dogs who think they are hot stuff. IMO, this type of personality only works well with encouragement and very individualized attention with one handler (owner). Corrections will get you nowhere, unless you immediately turn it into a situation to heavily praise at the same time. As to other aggression issues--can't evaluate unless I see the dog myself. Please view the videos. If anyone sees this dog differently (only the videos, now), would you please comment. I would be interested in hearing your observations.

As to other aggression issues--can't evaluate unless I see the dog myself. That just about sums it up...

No, 1doggie2-- Don't get cute. Perhaps I should have used better phrasing. So....As to WHETHER OR NOT there are other aggression issues--can't evaluate unless I see the dog myself. Did you watch the videos?

I was not getting cute, I agree with you. No one can evual a dog unless you see the dog yourself and spend time with that dog. The only point I have been making is, there are "nut case" dogs out there. I have not accused any other dog of being one, other than the one I owned and lived with. I also would not give an opinion from a viedo, not that I would not take someone else's opinion. For me I can not see enough of the dog's personality to judge in a public form, one way or the other.

Yes, LaPorte.. It is I. I do not hide from anyone. There are always two sides to the story, but there are not always people who want to hear it. Believe what you like. It does not matter to me, because you do not matter to me. Likewise, I should not matter to you, unless of course, you just want to go on the attack. This is what I have so often seen on these kinds of forums, so what the heck. I have not bred a litter in seven years because I do not WANT to. That is my choice, and it is four years beyond the agreement I made with the court. That is almost always a standard three year period. I don't plan to buy another dog, so it would be pretty hard for you to blacklist me. I have frozen semen to use and a couple of nice bitches and that is all I need. When and if I breed, it would be only for myself to keep one from, and the rest will go to friends and people who know and trust me. Of my friends, I have never held back on telling them about my experience. This is, in part, how I know who my friends are. They trust me enough to know that something happened which was not altogether my fault. I did say, "altogether", because I accept responsibility for some of what happened. But there were other people who played their hand in it, too. That's usually how these things are.. There is usually enough blame to go around for everyone and a lot of people add to the soup. In my case, no my kennel was not perfect. I was working a full time carreer, and my husband's company, which had been located five minutes away and in the same town, was sold to another company forty miles away. Keep in mind that forty miles on S. Calif. highways is equal to much, much more in most other parts of the country, because we have this thing called "rush hour". Bottom line is that I suddenly lost my helper and I was at peak capacity in the kennel. I tried twice to hire a helper and it didn't work out. No one wants to clean shit part time, minimum wage, and who can blame them? Some "respected" people in the dog business sell "training courses" to unsuspecting people for thousands of dollars and put them to work in the back, cleaning kennels. Go figure.

We are both correct in that a fair evaluation is not possible here---taking anyone's opinion on any dog (even the owner's) is also mute, IMO. I'd have to first make an opinion on the owner. The closest any of us have to seeing some of what this dog is about are those videos. Is it the whole dog? Of course not, but it is interesting. They are FIRST-HAND *clues*. 1doggie2--I get your point about "nut case" dogs being out there, but the title of this thread is 'Boban vom grauen Monstab', not 'Agressive, possible nut-case dogs that might include Boban vom grauen Monstab'. In my estimation, the videos are at least an attempt at a fairer evaluation since so many have already attempted to judge the dog. Irregardless, whether the dog's name is Boban or Nutsy-Putsy, if anyone has seen the videos, I would like to hear their opinions. I do hope the owner is not offended. I'm trying to understand....

My problems started with a neighbor, and that neighbor happened to have some "juice" due to his associations. He was an absentee landlord who blamed all his problems on me. He lost one longtime tenant because the guy did not like the barking. Well, some people don't, but I had a licensed kennel and all my permits. Kennels have to go somewhere, and I needed a place that was close to my work. Kennels also have to be close to the communities they serve, if they are boarding kennels. I planned to run mine as a boarding kennel at first, but there was just not enough business. The absentee landlord neighbor apparently wanted my kennel closed down about the same time that the capital gains rule (IRS) changed, allowing him to keep all of the appreciation in value on his property. He had just finished a year of nonsense with some doper party animals who apparently didn't pay the rent, and he wanted out. I can't blame him for that, but I do suspect him of some other pretty despicable things. And the party animals drove my dogs nuts, running up and down the alley on motorcycles and partying until 4:00 AM on weekends. There was a big five car garage that opened out into the alley and a big screen TV in there. About seven or eight guys shared that pad, and every time there was a big fight or sports event, there were people in the alley, carousing, yelling and laughing, drinking.. You name it. My dogs were constantly agitated. I'm sure the other neighbors did not appreciate the party atmosphere. Did our wonderful absentee landlord do anything to mitigate the nuisance? Not that I could tell. Curiously, the police never came out to break up these parties. But not so curious, really, if you know all the details. OK..So the guy finally wanted to sell his place when it was opportune for him, and he figured my kennel would make it harder for him, so he did what he figured he had to do. Interestingly, the whole household of freaks was suddenly raided and arrested, and all of their stuff carted off. Hmmmm.

Did someone just say IRREGARDLESS???

Yeah.. I talked with the guy who bought the property and he told me that the absentee landlord owner had had trouble collecting rents and it is a nightmare trying to evict a housefull of people like that, especially if there are people not on the rental agreement in there (which was likely the case). This would have been the ideal way to clean house.. all at once. I saw the truck being loaded, and I told my husband that I was wondering if we would have trouble. Right after that.. Only a few weeks, my kennel was "raided". All of the dogs were taken, and they were taken into deplorable conditions in the "pound". California law is nasty for breeders and kennel owners, and this is yet another reason why I am not active with dogs while I am still here. Statutory and case law allow for the impoundment of an entire population of a kennel, cattery or whatever, AND the removal of any children, if even ONE animal is deemed in jeopardy. This basically means that you'd better not have even one sick, old or infirm animal on the premises. Unfortuneately, I did have one sick dog that I had brought in only three days earlier. I really did not have room for this dog, but it needed help urgently, so I took it in. Big mistake! Another reason I don't need to be in the "kennel / dog business", because I have a hard time saying "no" to a dog in trouble, or euthanizing dogs. I can't even stay in the same room with a dog that is being put down... Not a good scene. I've had it done a lot of times (always by veterinarians) over the years, and it never got any easier. I came to recognize the fact, also, that it was very distressing to the staff at my usual veterinary clinic for this purpose to euthanize seemingly healthy dogs. I decided at a point that I would try harder to find good homes for adoptable surplus dogs.. another big mistake, for me. My kennel population swelled beyond capacity in fairly short time. Combined with the fact that I was suddenly on my own and without help, and the apparent difficulty in hiring competent help, and trying to hold down a full time job for a few more years until I could make retirement, I found myself between a rock and a hard place, and really at the breaking point until Jan 1 of 1999, when I had more vacation time to deal with some of the workload.