German Shepherd & Belgian Malinois ????? - Page 3

Hey Blitz, the site is up,not done and need to make a few corrections but I'm really happy with it so far www.canineconceptsofct.com The pups are on ther now. The pic was done about 2 weeks ago,they are ready to go NOW

Hi Charles, Your story about that fellow just then really got to me - no words! Just brought back memories of similar of people I knew! You've got way of putting this whole thing into perspective! How are you otherwise? Good about new site. Am going to look it up when I shortly go off Board. We still talking?

Charles, Got to go, back later in couple of hours.

Hi Charlie, I haven't been able to access your website.

Hi Blitz, How you'd be? I just accessed it Blitz - no problems. Just read all the stuff on Mals under Rescue Ogs - amazing stuff! Specially hexe and sleds etc. If it wasn't so warm here, I'd loved to get one. You actually don't see that many. What's their origin - alongside wolves or from? Cheers.

Saoa,You too? Chris is correct how? He is saying the the dutch shepherd and the malinois is the same dog? right?I'm saying it is not,show me where it says the Dutch shepherd and the malinois are in the same family. I don't care how many pedigrees he shows me and from whom.THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT BREEDS, no doubt closely related and even interbred with each other.......

Hi Charlie from what I read Saoa was not saying they are the same, but that they are frequently interbred. One reason being that the Dutchie is so limited in numbers. That the resulting crosses are not officially pedigreed dogs (not FCI or AKC recognized) but that you can get a pedigree from an alternate registration. All three - Dutchie, Mal and GSD do have a similar origin. Old type herding dogs that were present in the region of origin. They were formed around the same time, but since then over 100 years of breeding has taken each breed into different directions. And even with each breed - the GSD has split into show lines, working lines, DDR lines, Czech lines. The registered Mal is being bred with emphasis on working ability in Holland that also has a slightly lighter body type. Most of the breeding done in Holland is without official pedigree though. The dutch bred Mals tend to be a bit more nervy/hyper/on all the time. In Beligium and France you can find a stronger bodied type Mal with a more balanced temperament. Also more show Mals. With the dutch shepherds, there are a few people that breed them for show and pet, most of them are bred for working. Many of them are crossbred to preserve wirking ability, but again - without official pedigree. For the insider, especially the KNPV/K9 trainers/breeders of the Mals and Dutchies, an official pedigree and lines that are singular to one breed does not matter so much. The result matters. Cross breeding is widely accepted and practised. The Mal and the Dutchie originated in regions closer to one another and geographically more similar to each other than the dogs that started the GSD. Hence a more similar appearance.

Hey Daniela, Now I know why Chris normally say screw it.........lol.I don't even remember what the freakin question was

Reading a majority of these posts irritated me to no end... sorry, but when ignorant people pass off their opinions or what they heard of as facts, I just have to get involved to some degree.

For starters: http://www.bloedlijnen.nl/ IS a respectable source of information on the Dutch Shepherd, Malinois, Turvuren, etc pedigrees....

The FCI does register Malinois - Dutch Shepherd crosses.

Crossing Malinois and Dutchies has allowed for a larger gene pool for both, and working dog people want a dog that can WORK.  They don't feel the need to limit their choices on selecting dogs to produce a working litter.

Dutch Shepherds and Belgian Malinois are NOT German Shepherds. Nor is their structure, temperament, and working ability any where near the same.  Structurally the Dutchies and Mals are NOTHING like the German Shepherd, but a lot of laymen feel they look alike... I'll admit that their structure is quite similar to the 1890-1920's German Shepherds'.

I've read a site that sums up well what the unregistered (Malinois blood in background) Dutchie stock is like: A Malinois with an "off switch" Excellent dogs, I've had them for years.

"AND WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK OF MAL AND SHEP Cross for police sport and protection work what would be the out come"

I don't see any reason to cross the gsd and mal. There exists already good dogs in both breeds just as there are bad dogs in both breeds. There are easily many more good dogs than there are good trainers. Start looking for a good trainer first then look for a good dog!