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by hirtenhaus on 25 October 2004 - 17:10

What does this mean? Anybody help?

by Makosh on 25 October 2004 - 17:10

There are a1, a2, and a3 hip ratings. a3=noch zugelassen, which is not as good as a1 or a2. This means that the dog is still suitable for breeding, as far as its hips concerned. But its hips are not perfect, or even good, but rather fair. Hope I am correct about that.

by Barny on 25 October 2004 - 17:10

HD noch zugelassen (a3), simply translated from German should be STILL ALLOWED. Meaning that dog has still allowed degree of hip displasia and can be bred.

trysil

by trysil on 25 October 2004 - 17:10

Noch Zugelassen = (Still Allowable) Not as good as a1 normal or a2 fast normal

PINERIDGE

by PINERIDGE on 25 October 2004 - 21:10

Still Allowable - but that's a ZW rating of way over 100 so what we need to say is that if you are using a NOCH dog in breeding - it should be to a mate with the best hips (I would hope with a ZW in the lower 70's !!) A NOCH dog would most likely NOT OFA certify.

by Blitzen on 25 October 2004 - 21:10

A lot of other large breeds have substantially reduced their incidence of HD by breeding only the best hips to the best hips. Most I know, GSD's and other breeds, will use an OFA fair but only with a good or an excellent, never another fair. Very few will use a dog with hips so poor that they do not get a number. Using a noch rated GSD even to another with good hips might not be the best way to accomplish a goal of reduced HD in the progeny. It's really difficult to track results just by using OFA statistics since most are not going to submit xrays that are obviously not going to get a number. The ZW system seem to me to be a much better way of tracking hip production both by families and individuals although I'm not sure I agree with using noch rated dogs, ones that could not get OFA clearances.

PINERIDGE

by PINERIDGE on 25 October 2004 - 23:10

BLITZEN - YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY !! I wouldn't use a Noch rated dog unless it was absolutely 99% perfect in everything else, or it was a bloodline that was not available elsewhere (that I absolutely had to have) and/or that the dog had really good hips behind it - and it might be the exception (but still - it does not have good hips) and there are so many other good dogs around that do have good hips.!! Go into the ZW database and just type in any well-known kennel name that has dogs that you like and you can get such a good sense of what quality hips they are producing -- One kennel would get you lots in the range of 90 - 105 while with another you will easily see lots of 68 - 80 and very few if any 3 digit numbers !! So "Phooey" to those who say that ZW is not a good indicator -- it is far better than just saying the dog has an 'a' stamp -- which just might have said "normal - or fast normal". and when I started who DIDN'T have an 'a' stamp. LAST THING -- we have those wonderful American Breeders (yes, I'm one too, but I've never done this ) They tell novice people that their dogs are X-RAYED !! Well, Duhhh,, x-rayed and found dysplastic is a hellofalot different than x-rayed and CERTIFIED !! So many people have come to me - who didn't do their homework about OFA and said - well - the breeder said the mother was x-rayed -- yeah - but they left out the little bit of information that SHE DIDN'T PASS !!

by Dawnmarie on 26 October 2004 - 00:10

Unfortunately, i have seen MORE bad hips out of OFA excellent and OFA good to each other with good hips behind it... its truly odd, but i did alot of research on this.. and the OFA fair and the NZ were producing much better hips.. totally blows me away... Dawnmarie

by beam me up scotty on 26 October 2004 - 00:10

sorry but I have seen a C hip dog who went OFA Good just recently - and lots of B hips go OFA Good, and one even OFA Excellent and heard of more than one litter where both parents were OFA - good to fair, good to excellent, good to good - that the WHOLE litter has HD and so bad they were put down. Dave

GSDfan

by GSDfan on 26 October 2004 - 01:10

OFA SV (Germany) Excellent Normal Good Normal Fair Normal Borderline Fast Normal Mild HD Noch Zugelassen Mod HD Mittlere Severe HD Schwere This is how the OFA compares the two on their website. They claim that the Noch rating is equivallent to MILD HD. I have no experience in trying to get an OFA number on a Noch rated dog, but I would avoid that rating if at all possible.





 


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