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by Nikos on 13 March 2008 - 20:03
All I got from my attempt to establish contact was a bunch of dissuaders, whose names i don't think i have the right to post here (and again wouldn't provide any facts...) and the above person, Seaman, speaking for Richards, which makes me now wonder whether Seaman has the breeding rights over that dog. I also got some pictures from those pups above mentioned; they were really nice; whatever it may be, this is a free country and i guess you could even get the dog and roast him on a spit and get away with it; what the heck; it just would be nice to see his pups growing in this country
n.
by D.H. on 13 March 2008 - 20:03
Nikos, no one is asking you to post names of people who have little to contribute here now and before. But again, you are posting speculations. I do wonder about the though processes that would take you from Diane having pups to Diane having breeding rights or any other rights to Olex. Diane speaking up is simply an act of loyalty to someone who apparently must be very deserving of it, or else I doubt she would have bothered.
by Nikos on 13 March 2008 - 20:03
lady,
I am a man, there's no thought process, speculations, loyalties or drama, okay; my mind works very simple, and in a very visible path.
I did not feel invited or welcome when i inquired about the possibility of getting a pup from Olex; i happen to like the dog and I was a little upset, but again all this being within the frame of a simple man's brain, to not being able to even pursue a pup from this dog, that i have been fortunate to see trial in Germany. Anyway, no hard feelings, i just moved to the next candy store get a new lollypop...
I have no facts, and i am not speculating; try to think like a man here now lady; i am just relating my personal experience with Seaman lady and the emails that came in my box out of the blue, which may very well be all based on speculation and jealousy like you mentioned, but that made me wary nonetheless
So, no discrediting, loyalties or speculations; no conundrums please, i get dizzy, and like i said, i moved on to the next candy store after i concluded my exchange of emails with the subjects.
sounds like some have as much time in their hands today as i do!
OPA!
n.
by SchHBabe on 13 March 2008 - 21:03
DH, get your hackles down and calm down. My statement was a logical conclusion based on Diane's statements. I've never said that Olex isn't a fine dog - no one is even debating that.
Since you appear to have a short attention span, let me recapitulate...
Diane (who I presume to be either his agent or who is an acquaintance of the agent) said... "Olex is getting old now and sometimes he produces and sometimes he doesn't." Two breedings, four puppies - that's not what I call good odds. Furthermore, she says Olex has had only 2 other breedings since living in Kentucy. One could assume that Olex's owner/agent has decided to adopt a "no outside breedings" policy, but then where are the puppies? There appears to be no evidence that he is being used for an in-house breeding machine. This database has over 200 Olex progeny listed, but I have not found any recently born.
Therefore, in light of these facts and above statements, it did not seem likely at all that "Tia" would succeed in getting an Olex puppy, except if Diane would sell one of hers, hence my comment.
This is not some case of unjustified Olex-bashing. He's getting old and his productivity is dropping. As Diane had stated, this is not unusual and those seeking breedings to Olex do so at their risk, so to speak, and have chosen to wager whatever stud fee is charged against the possibility of getting puppies.
Now take a deep breath and settle down. Many a good dog has aged and lost their potency. I don't understand why you feel the need to make this case in particular into a crisis. His blood will live on in his many sons and daughters, grandsons and granddaughters. Some of them are doing quite well, in fact. "Tia" still has many options.
Yvette
by D.H. on 13 March 2008 - 21:03
So you were not wined and dined during your inquiries. I think this only proves once again that too many people cannot handle rejection or being ignored when it comes to dogs. Feeling invited or welcomed is not really a breeders or owners requirement, especially if they are not really set on parting with what they have, just based on that others want it. It may not be very conducive to creating a well liked reputation. But not everyone wants to submit to other people's whims and bullying tactics all the time. "I have no facts". Exactly. I did not ask about personal experiences other than those related to all these numerous alleged breedings to Olex. Where are they?
by AlliGSD911 on 13 March 2008 - 21:03
So who owns Olex? The reason for the whole post..LOL. I had also been trying to find a nice Olex pup/young adult, but didn't get anywhere when trying to find out where he was. So I gave up. He has produced some AWESOME dogs!
by D.H. on 13 March 2008 - 21:03
Of course an older males fertility is not going to the same as that of a 3 or 4 year old. Many top studs had hit and miss breedings when they reached an advanced age. Asko had about a 50% success rate in his final years. We had a female bred to him twice, first time hit, second time miss, and that was not only our experience. And that is only normal for males that age. Many dogs are not even producing any more at all at the age Olex was when he came to the US. Which was not 3+ years ago BTW. Fertility in males fluctuates at any age. And it always takes two to tango. More than two actually, because it needs full cooperation of the owner to put the finishing touches on a successful mating. I am not getting my hackles up, but I do object to dragging yet another fine dogs legacy through the mud without any facts. And I do object to someone making a statement of fraud and still not putting any proof forward. Now tell me Yvette, what is wrong with objecting to that?
by realcold on 13 March 2008 - 21:03
Old guy walks into a drugstore and says to the druggist "Could you fill my Viagra prescription and cut them in quarters for me." The druggist replys that quaters wont work. The old guy says "Listen, I am 98 years old and I just want enough so I do not pee on my slippers." Hope this puts a smile to the mating thread for a change of pace.
by orkies on 13 March 2008 - 22:03
Realcold,
That is funny but what is even more funnier is that they have found STD clusters at nursing/retirement homes. Apparently between the viagra and other um things it has been a raunch fest.
by 4pack on 14 March 2008 - 02:03
ROTFLMAO Chris that is just too much!
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