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by Bob-O on 21 April 2008 - 00:04

Here is the physical address of the site's web hosting service: http://www.ixwebhosting.com/index.php/v2/pages.privacy/v_check/1

Ecommerce Corporation Customer Service Department

247 Mitch Lane

Hopkinsville, Kentucky 42240

1-800-861-9394

info@ecommerce.com e-mail

Regards,

Bob-O

by shasta on 21 April 2008 - 02:04

Ok so we send a letter to this last address requesting our pictures be removed from the site? (since obviously the site owner is doing nothing)

by Two Moons on 21 April 2008 - 03:04

Excellent info, I'll make use of some of it tomorrow. Great work, team work, feels like family.

Oli you should at least recover your costs minimum.

by Speaknow on 21 April 2008 - 09:04

Bob-O: Like you I used GSDDATA years ago when it was free, and for accuracy used to compare that pedigree information with that on other Sites, including this one. And I too used to strike many differences, including some dogs/pedigrees there but not here, and vice versa of course. Good point about how owner might keep a copy of the whole database up his sleeve before selling it! Ladywolf: Copyright laws, as far as I’m aware, are about safeguarding a work’s underlying value. Trying to enforce copyright on an item without discernable worth, by an individual poster here say, seems pretty futile insofar from a legal viewpoint it would be rejected as ‘vexatious or frivolous’. Some of my dogs also ended up on GSDDATA but as mere more gratis promotion, why should I complain? Especially since I realized all along how it’s exactly the sort of thing that happens on the Net all the time! $ 15 000 – Hallelujah! More than three times of what I’d even consider paying! And an individual’s poster’s dog picture ..? Oli: But which particular dogs/photos/pedigrees?

by Oli on 21 April 2008 - 12:04

Speaknow,

I can easily prove when and by whom pictures where uploaded,. I have the insertion history from 2001. Since I have the originals, they will have to prove that they got the pictures from other means (bulk purchase, inserted by users, etc..) Otherwise my claim stands.

But lets turn this around (humor me here). I went through my logs and gsddata.com's data. I see that they where regularly harvesting pedigreedatabase.com until the end of December 2007, there you find their latest bulk download from this site.

If you feel that what they are doing is ok and moral. Am I then being immoral by blocking their automated harvester and preventing them from retrieving any future updates?
Its a valid question, since it can't be both ways.

Oli

by sunshine on 21 April 2008 - 12:04

Oli, pictures of my dogs are up on that site too. What to me is interesting though, is that the information on my male includes both his A-Stamp rating as well as OFA hips. The picture of my spayed pet female is a personal and private picture that I only released on this site. It was never submitted on any other board or website. It had to have been downloaded from here.

by Preston on 21 April 2008 - 21:04

Speaknow, please tell us you weren't in on the data mining of this site? You sem so oppositional about everything. Do you even own a registered GSD and if so show us a photo to give yourself some credibility. Personally I don't think you even have one from the way you write.

by hodie on 22 April 2008 - 03:04

There is a photo of my dog on that site as well and other than from my website, it could only have been taken from the PDB.

by Two Moons on 22 April 2008 - 05:04

Same here hodie, this is the only place they could have gotten my dogs pictures.

by Speaknow on 22 April 2008 - 09:04

Hallo Oli, As you’re no doubt aware, in the world of commerce matters of practical feasibility, legality included, mostly outrank questions of morality. Naturally I consider gsddata’s pilfering of data reprehensible but regaling you with my personal ethics, irrelevantly and self-indulgently so, really would amount to humoring, if not insult your intelligence. In fact, I much wish I could instead assist via practical, rock-solid legal advice. More crucially, in order to prosecute any sort of a civil case that is, you’ve clearly done your homework and sorted relevant facts and figures. In your shoes I would surely go all out to protect what’s mine; balancing cost against prospective outcome/benefit of course. I’m ignorant of Internet mechanics but am aware there’s sophisticated data mining software about, and thus the need on some Sites that visitor type/repeat bunch of distorted letters etc. Immoral to block automated harvester? Nothing but essential I’d say! Regards.

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