Dog bite at the schutzhund club. - Page 11

tigermouse:  you made me puke.  kiss-kiss with the dragon lady.  EEEYuuuuck.

Dogs are evaluated by

(1) Professionals, not weekend warrior wannabee schutzhund participants.  If you are a SEASONED dog trainer, with many years experience, then yea, you can evaluate a dog I am sure.

(2)  The law.  The laws vary but as pointed out above, it ain't about WANTING to save a viscious dog, and it ain't about blaming the idiot owner/handlers (Lord knows there are plenty of those around), but the law is the law and is pretty clear in its declaration of what constitutes a viscious dog.  When the criteria stated is met, then it must be dealt with according to the law.

(3)  I surely HOPE that no one would blame a child for petting a strange dog, and being bitten.  We can't even get adults to wear condoms or quit driving vehicles while drunk, or even to not inject peanut butter oil or formaldehyde into their veins for a high.  If you think that you can just tell a child that he or she should not pet a strange dog and that is that, then you have never raised a child.

I am still waiting to hear someone say that there is never a reason to put down a dog for uncontrollable visciousness.  That they all can be saved.

I personally would fight to the death with anyone who attempted to hurt one of my pets.  But, I can and do recognize that sometimes, one has to be put down.  To be honest about it, I have taken a human life without much after grief but have grieved much (and still do) about the dog (South, formerly SoKo) that I had put down.  The idiot that was trying to kill me and failed meant nothing to me, but I loved South.

I do not count on my dogs to protect me.  I protect them.  Some of them would protect me and some of them would not, but one thing is sure.  I will protect all of them.  But, I have an obligation to humanity to not own, harbor or walk around with a viscious dog, especially one as capable of doing damage as a GSD.  If you do not have the intestinal fortitude to do what must be done with such an animal, then get a goldfish.  Keeping a viscious dog alive, caged or hidden away, or however you handle it, is not "heart".  It is stupidity.  "Heart" is not letting it suffer and "heart" is not taking the chance that a human will be hurt or even killed.  Dogs can kill humans.   Dogs can kill other dogs.  Dogs can kill cats, calfs, sheep, goats, whatever.  Either your dog is social or it is unsocial.  Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, an unsocial dog is the result of bad humans.  But, just as in humans, sometimes there are "touched" dogs, that are not right in the head, and is an act of God or nature (choose the one you favor).  I lived with one for over three years (maybe four or more, I don't remember), and I worked my butt off trying to change him.  He changed a little but not enough to trust, even alone in the house.  He could of and would of, went through a window to get at a child, if I did not live out in the middle of nowhere.  On the rare occasions that I did have the company of children, I had to take numerous precautions.  He had to be double kenneled and the children never left unwatched, even playing in my fenced yard at 7 and 8 years old.  Some of you need to grow up.

P.S.  I take offense to insinuating that an elderly person should not be "allowed" to walk around unsupervised.

Who the heck do you think changed your diapers and taught you the ways of the world?  Your younger siblings?  No.  It was that person that is now elderly.  I am sure that she knows more about dogs, life in general, and how NOT to do stupid things, than most of us.  If someone says that it is safe to pet their dog, then one would assume that it is safe.  Especially if they are on a field where there are "highly trained" dogs all about, and they know that you are a dog trainer.  What the owner/handler should have said is "Probably best that you don't. He is high strung", or something similar, although the dog should not have been there in the first place, being that it was not in schutzhund training anymore.

Get off the elderly and/or the disabled.   Those two words are not synonymous with stupid or clueless.

And no, I am not elderly nor disabled.

I am turning 55 next month though. Too young for Medicare, and too old for women to care   (my joke for the day).

I think 4pack said it best actually as I feel the same.  The type of dog that is being described in this situation is a dog that would be a bit much for MOST.  However, when I say I support PTS in this case or a similar situation as described by the OP I say this simply because first and foremost I AM a mother and parent FIRST, above all and to harbor an animal I know was capeable of doing such injury in a situation that did not influence a "threat" my first obligation is to act responsibly and not have this animal around my children or anyone elses.  I must keep people who come in contact with me/my dogs safe.  Secondly I am a responsible dog owner regardless of what breed I ever owned and part of being responsible requires being realistic and honest about what you have.  In this case what you have is a "problem".  Is PTS the easiest solution? Not always, but it is a responsible decission one may have to resort to IF this is a dog they clearly do not have the experience to control.

I am a little curious why no one who witnessed this dog attack from the club coming forward to tell their version of events??  It makes the OP's version more credible IMO as if I were there and saw it a different way I would have came forward and said "I was there, I saw it happen and this is what really went down that day."  For no one to comment on a different version makes me tend to think that all parties that were there know the OP's mom didn't do anything to provoke this injury???  I find no reason to not believe her.

I'm more disgusted that the dog owner has not even called this woman to ask how she was feeling and to apologize.  TOTALLY distasteful as a human being regardless of why the dog bit her point is it happend and it was THEIR dog.  At best they should "pretend" to be concerned.

You know we all can blah blah blah all day long till we are blue in the face.the fact remains there always be dog attacks and people putting dogs down for wrong reasons as long as there are tupid breeders breading dogs and stupid handlers and trainers and owners raising dogs,so untill we start being responsible for our own actions this will go on and on and on and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.     ps sign of a stupid and ignorant person is when you generalise every thinb. have a nice one.  

i also wanted to say in my last reply that in this day and age childeren are not allowed to talk to strangers because there too many stupid and bad people out there,therefor we should also not allow people to pet strange dog.because there too many stupid and bad owners out there.PEOPLE PLEASE STOP PETTING OTHER PEOPLES DOGS AND I GUERNTEE YOU WILL NEVER BE BITTEN BY A DOG FOR PETTING.I CAN NOT MAKE IT ANY SIMPLER THAN THAT.HOPEFULLY SOME ONE WOULD LEARN FROM THIS. TIME TO MOVE ON.

I avoided this one because it seemed like a no brainer, now its a whole new disscusion like so many threads.

The dogs owner and or handler is responcable for the ladies medical bills.   The club has some responcability as well.

I hate the freaking lawyers but if thats what it takes then so be it.    The dog doesn't even matter here, its just a dog who needs better control from its owner.     The OP could use a dose of common sense here, a double dose.

I to wish you well Manda

I didn't read every word here because this has become a joke.  I know that everyone plays a part and has responsibility.  I continuously read how clubs don't want newbies and are unfreindly to guests.  Maybe this is part of the problem.  I understand that the handler should always be in control, but when you don't know someone, how do you know how stupid and uninformed they are with dogs.  If someone asks if they can pet a dog, what are they asking?  Does that mean that they can get down on their knees and bear hug the dog with their face in the dog's snout?  Some people do not know how to act around dogs.  They expect all dogs to be lovable golden retrievers.  They expect them to be more civilized than a human stranger.  I know I have said this before, but go to the park and hug a complete stranger, talk like a baby, and pucker your lips 2 " away from that person's face.    You're gonna get your ass kicked!  Why would a strange dog treat you any differently?

T

Held:  you need to calm down a little.  We are having a discussion.  We are not deciding whether or not this dog should be put down, or if blah, blah, blah.

It is obvious that you are upset, because no one could spell that badly if they were not.  Unless they are from Ethiopia.

Okay, now that I got my dig in, I will address the obvious.

Since I am considered by many here as clueless about schutzhund training, I have a question of those that are proficient in it.

Is part of schutzhund training "socializing" your dog?  Allowing and in fact encouraging others, including strangers, to interact with your dog?

I would like to know.    I certainly HOPE that it is part of the "process" of becoming a schutzhund sporting dog.

I am proficient in Personal Protection dog training and I admit that social interaction with dogs typically trained for that type of "work" is frowned upon, in many cases, but not all.  It varies depending upon the circumstances surrounding what the "customer" desires or needs.  Obviously a dog trained to guard an area, would not be socialized.  But, a police dog would need to be.

Oh yea.  I almost forgot.  Have a nice one!