Dog bite at the schutzhund club. - Page 3

I hope this hasn't put your mom off our breed, although I could certainly understand if it did.  I also hope she knows this was in no way her fault, and the way it was handled was wrong.  Someone needed to step up to the plate and at least apologize to her.  If it had been me, and some asshole tried to patronize me by saying "It's just a scratch" I might have been unable to control the back of my hand against their face.

Silhouettes,
I hope your mother is doing alright. If it was my mother that this dog did this to... I can assure you that the dog would have had a very bad day after after I get a hold of it.

Dogs (like the one that attacked your mother) that are handler aggressive should be put to sleep in definite. They have no business being bred nor should they be out in public view without wearing kind of protective (Muzzle) gear on.

As what AgarPhranicniStraze said before, it could have been a child that this dog bitten.

This dog would have no problem fatally biting someone if it were given a chance. Judging by what you said, this dog could have easily killed your mother if it were to puncture the carotid and subclavian arteries.

While this incident was happening, where was the training director? What did he/she had to say about this situation? The club should pay all of your mothers medical fees.

The ASPCA and the police should be notified. This dog should be marked as a dangerous dog.

sueincc,
Why do you disagree with the idea of putting a dog down due to handler aggression issues? Why risk the public including the misery of  the dog  with life in solitary confinement due to poor temperament?

Care to share us any insights of how to overcome this handler aggression with training exercise? If you had a dog with this kind of temperament problems, what would you do?

This is exactly why I don't pet anyone else's dog at any schutzhund, PSA, etc. event or training.  Anywhere where dogs are being trained to do bitework, to me is not a "social" zone and I'm not not gonna go make buddies. These dogs often know exactly what they are there to do, can often hear the sounds of bitework and get VERY amped.

However, was the handler wrong? Damn right, they should've known better, they were ignorant and irresponsible.  Shame on them. Either they cannot read that dog worth a damn, or don't care about risking the safety of others- they can't handle a dog like that either way.

Furthermore, anyone passing judgement on this dog without seeing the dog himself and exactly what happened firsthand is showing their complete lack of real dog training experience. Some of us have actually had REAL LIFE experience in rehabilitating aggressive dogs. Don't preach about what you know nothing about. (Brit-brit!)

Brittany I have had handler aggressive dogs and worked them through their issues.  As a matter of fact my all time once-in-a-lifetimer best dog ever was handler aggressive.  There is simply no way to explain on a message board how to handle these types of dogs.  As far as enlightenment, I suggest you get yourself around to a few handler seminars, handle more than one dog, and if you get really lucky, a great trainer might teach you something - if you are willing to learn.

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that the dogs owner was also doing helper work with a green dog?  In my neck of the woods, only the more senior (longer in the tooth) helpers work green pups/dog, there is too much that can go wrong to quick and ruin a dog to warrent risking the use of a green helper.  So, making an assumption here, this guy, who can't handle his own dog, is doing advanced helper work for the club?  Huh?  While I doubt I'd have much desire to work a *truly* handler agressive dog, I doubt that if I ended up with one that I'd be allowing little old ladies to pet it either. 

Anyhow, the infection issue IS A BIG ONE.  There is a famous trainer/handler who was bitten in throat during a seminar several months ago and she is still fighting to recover from the infection.

-Calvin

Excellent point, Calvin.  I would want my green dogs and pups should only be worked by the decoy who can best read and work dogs!

KC, that isn't fair.. if someone tells you, you can pet their dog, you assume it's okay, there are plenty of friendly schutzhund dogs out there, a good example is Olex, I pet him, he kissed me. 

If your dog would bite someone in the face for no reason, he or she is not a very good dog, I want a dog that is clear headed when making a decision to bite or not.  I like my dogs. 

This dog also wasn't doing bitework, the wife did obedience with him.. they don't do bitework with him, because he's aggressive.  Trainer/partial owner said nothing to us, not a single word..

I think the dog should be put down...he's dangerous... the couple even admitted, he would not recall for nothing.

Well, Sil, thats why the owner of the dog is at fault, he should've never said that.  I wouldn't expect your mom, being inexperienced, to know better. It was his responsibility.  He's probably ignoring you for liability purposes...which tells me he's been in this boat before.

I have a SchH dog too, that people can pet. Would I let someone pet her at a club environment? No, we are there to work. But that's just me.

Why was the dog even there? The SchH club isn't going to fix their behavioral problems.

They brought him out to do some obedience work with him, apparently they never bring him out according to other club members... I can't get it thru my head, why they would say she could pet a dog like that... and all I keep seeing in my mind is 4 people taking steps back when he bit her, and not even correcting him?  The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off.  I am going to go this weekend, so they can see what he did to her.. but there is no way I can be a member, I will be bitter, and frustrated at their ignorance, and it will eventually cause me to snap, and I can be a real b!tch, then I end up with a bad name, which is the last thing I need, but you know what.. that is MY mother.

I don't think they are going to offer to pay expenses, I already brought up about the prescriptions she had to pay for, and they didn't say anything.

People freeze up in the face of aggression. I had to peel a rottweiler off a Greater Swiss mountain dog just 2 days ago because the owners froze. Its not uncommon for people to lock up.

Really, a dog with issues like that does not belong at a sport club. They need to seek the help of a trainer experienced with aggression or admit that this is not the dog for them.

I think you should DEMAND they pay for her medical treatment, perhaps remind them a few prescriptions are a cheaper than a lawsuit...