Dog bite at the schutzhund club. - Page 5

Brittany

I think I love you.  You complete me.  You complete me!

Now I'm jealous Don.   What does Brittany have that I don't? 

If you're going to quote me Britanny, make it very clear you're quoting me, please.

I think its funny how you go on and on and on about your dogs and their daddy and keep going back on your extremely meager experience. I've worked with more aggressive dogs of all breeds than you'll ever see in your life.  I have saved dogs from being put down. What have you done? That's right, 2 BHs. *claps*

I never said an agressive dog is not a candidate for euthanasia. Sometimes they are. But no real trainer makes that call sight unseen. Maybe this dog cannot be worked with, but maybe it can.

I have a very tough PP trained bitch who can do bitework demos for groups of girl scouts and cub scouts and be petted by them 5 minutes later.  Why? Because she's TRAINED. I'm sure if you saw how dominant/aggressive and downright nasty she was as a pup you would've been screaming "PUT HER DOWN". Now my daughter shows her in juniors and rally.

This dog that bit the OP's mother clearly lacks such training. Also, there are plenty of great working dogs out there that are NOT buddy-buddy with the public and there isn't  damn thing wrong with them. I will not sit here and waste my time trying to explain to you how to fix aggression.  It takes years to learn, and I'm still learning and improving myself.

Silhouettes: I hope you can browbeat the dipsh*t handler into owning up to his screwup and paying for your mom's care. It wouldn't be fair to sue the elderly couple, but perhaps the threat of it would spur him into action. How is she doing? By the way, is it a WDA or USA club? Maybe you could complain to the regional director?

lots of dogs are deemed lots of things, by lots of people that dont' know jack.  And then you get internet geniuses trying to start a lynching.

I don't care how long the guy has been "doing schutzhund", it doesn't mean he knows jack crap.

The dog needs to be evaluated by someone that knows something, I really question everyone involved's knowledge.  Disabled mother, not recovered from surgery allowed to pet a dog that is too dangerous to bring out, that was just a scratch according to some, and an inch deep according to others.

Somehow I feel the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

whatever the truth may be i do feel that someone needs to make a stand.

dogs like this give gsd's a bad press at v. least they need to muzzle the dog in public.

my question is what the hell is a dog with that kind of temperament doing at a schutzhund club in the first place?

my dogs are all muzzled in public at all times not because they need it but because i choose to play it safe.

before anyone starts flaming me my dogs are well behaved and have never bitten anyone.(unprovoked)

it is true dogs are not 100% reliable so if you doubt how your dogs will react then for the love of god MUZZLE THEM.

Why risk the dog the public or your wallet!

i would rather get a funny look every now and again cause my dog is muzzled than end up being responsible for a dog bitten someone

it only takes one small child to pull a tail and bang! the kid is bitten,,,,,,,,,,, your dog is destroyed and you get fined and to top it all off a bad reputation.

is it worth it???

this is exactly why you should not pet any one's dog i do not understand the need to do that.these are not Labs and Golden Reterivers.there are too people at fault here,first one is the handler or trainer or who ever he,she is.for sure this individual has no idea what type of dog they are holding.if this is exactly what happened then it leads me to belive that this person does not have any knowledge about working germanshepherds. also i am very disappointed in people who are saying to put this dog down,if you call yourself a dog person ,you are certainly acting like the general public who are normally clueless about dogs and dog behaviour and usually that is how they react when they hear on the news about a dog attack.there are many reason why a dog would bite and if you are an intelligent person then  you will find the source of the problem before you hand out death sentences.there are more humans killing and hurting humans but i do not hear any death sentences being handed out.please use your head and try to figure out what i am saying here.thanx and have a nice day. ps here is a funny thing i hear every one wanting to own a dog that would bite for real,and when you find one then everyone wants to kill it, when you read this keep in mind that there is always a reason why a dog would bite, it is our fault that we are not always intelligent enough to know that.

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"This is exactly why I don't pet anyone else's dog at any schutzhund, PSA, etc. event or training.  Anywhere where dogs are being trained to do bitework, to me is not a "social" zone and I'm not not gonna go make buddies. These dogs often know exactly what they are there to do, can often hear the sounds of bitework and get VERY amped.

However, was the handler wrong? Damn right, they should've known better, they were ignorant and irresponsible.  Shame on them. Either they cannot read that dog worth a damn, or don't care about risking the safety of others- they can't handle a dog like that either way."

I agree with your points.

Simple rule that most adults should know; Don't pet a dog that you don't know.

What is the point of petting a dog you don't know? Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy?

In the wild do wolves from other packs come over and socialise with a wolf pack? Not likely.

 The dog was deemed unworthy for schutzhund YEARS ago because he was outright aggressive, that's why they were GIVEN the dog, so no, my mother did not provoke the dog unintentionally.

Sch is not the end all be all. Just because he is not a Sch candidate or "outright aggressive" does not mean he is a bad dog, unstable, or a nerve bag.

I am a pretty good judge of character when it comes to dogs considering I got my first Shepherd when I was 9, and this dog has nerve issues, you did not see the dog, and how it reacted, I did, it could be bloodlines or the way it was raised.

Your comments on this thread give me a clear and firm indication you are very inexperienced when it comes to bitework. I am confidant you can not tell the difference between suspicion, aggression, dominance, and weak nerve. I did not see the dog or the incident but am not making absolute statements other than the responsibility lies with the handler.

Maybe people who can't breed or train properly should not be in this sport.

Neither should people who don't know better than to call A/C on a dog bite that occures on a sport training field and post a thread with comments that negatively reflect on bite work.

who in the right mind would want an aggressive dog like that?

If the dog was a strong dominant, aggressive dog that carries suspicion (which again I am sure you can not differentiate) I would and I know many others who would as well.

That is my MOTHER, you speak of.  Disabled, just had surgery not two months ago. 

Exactly, you are operating and speaking emotionally not rationally. The reason I suspect the dog was provoked (and I said unitentionally) is because your dog is disabled and recently had surgery. If your mother was in a wheel chair, or crutches, or even sitting down, that means her upper body was probably bent over the dog, which anyone should know is a dominant position. Wheelchairs, crutches or anything out of the ordinary will arouse suspicion in a naturally suspicious dog. Depending on her disability any outward expression that appears "out of the norm" will arouse suspicion, that coupled with  a dominant position with the wrong dog, will get someone bitten. Children, disabled people, and people who are scared of dogs, are at a greater chance of being bit. Again, I was not there so I don't know but this thread spews of personal agenda and dramatization, so does not carry much weight with me.