TWO DAY SHOW - Page 6

I was advised  not to reply to this thread this evening but so many people are so quick to jump on me and try to blacken me that I feel I have no option..

I am really upset at all of this . The  reason no one prior to the original email was contacted re advertising  after the initial email  was because the small 20 page alowance for it was booked within 2 hours. There was no point in contacting anyone else at that point as there was no space left to offer,,,I emailed the people I did because they were the addresses i had and a few additonal via CHAMPDOGS list but it was publicly advertised on my site for about 4 weeks prior for all to see  had they looked. and  if you look at the list of people emailed its certainly not elitist .

 In answer to those re time passed since then basically I have not been able to comment on the project as I have been waiting since then  for OFFICIAL permission from the British Sieger Working Party to announce the project publicly .. BUT I have answered all queries/questions when asked privately .. I emailed carole Lister again this weekend asking if I could  be given official confirmation so that I could publicly announce the whole project . Which I intended to do as soon as I had said permission.The new 440 page project with much increased advertising would have allowed everyone the chance to advertise .. I had/have booked an advert in the next league magazine to say as much... ..... But I wasn't prepared to preempt permisson and spoil the chances of official backing.Tester books went infront of the British Sieger Working Party's last meeting and  I am lead to believe official backing is to be granted  . so all i can say is  Please do not throw knives at when you are not in possession of the facts!!!  Also lease note: Advertising was not to line my pockets but to off set the print costs.. There are people who still dont put £££ first and I cant believe I am being shot down by some of you for doing this ..

 You comment on my benefit status Zac , how do you know what my employment status is?  This really makes me angry the fact I feel I have to come on and defend myself from a screed of assumptions.. As it happens yes I am on benefits at present  after just finshing a 6 month  business trial via Sciottish enterprise , does that make me a villan, it certainly does not? I hope to have a successful small  business regarduing my artwork and am working hard to source all the help available to do this in Scotland. I didn't charge for photographs when I had the freedom to charge what ever I wanted because profit is not my motivation.. but again that appears to be a bad thing to some? I just dont get it!

I have given  the costings for the project to anyone that has asked .I have nothing to hide..

And NOTE : I was meant to be the official photogrpaher for the 2 day show but not at the exclusion of other cameras ,I felt i had to resign this positon before I was sacked  as i just would not agree to pay them whatever they decided for the privilege of a non profit book . I wanted to try and provide the best images I could for exhibitors with no charges for them so felt I had to step down.  If that makes me unreasonable then shoot me but i was actually trying to save exhibitors money not take it from them!.. It takes more to make the world go round than money .. In this case I hoped a publication might lift breed morale  ( despite the images not being of URMA quality)

 Sue B,I am particulary hurt by your comments, I  am grateful for the chance you gave me at West Yorks , that wont change. You were in my original

 Sue B,I am particulary hurt by your comments, I  am grateful for the chance you gave me at West Yorks , that wont change. You were in my original list via CHAMP DOGs as you can see and I have emailed you numerous times since then with photos etc but you never / rarely reply to  my correspondance ,,I sent you a CD after W.Yorks and never heard from you either..  Sometimes i just dont know where I stand with people and thats not a nice feeling either particularly when i feel i am indebted to them for their help.. Perhaps email is failing at both our ends. But as you can see you were definitely included on my list .  ..

Those  concerned with the working party for the British Sieger can confirm my requests to go public ,I certainly haven't wanted to keep anyone in the dark or exclude anyone but it is not my place to prempt the leading GSD bodies in the UK ....

  I have never professed to be URMA or at URMA's level but it doesn't stop me wanting to try to get something off the ground in the uk regarding our own dogs .. Nobody is else is  trying too but it is increasingly more clear that its hard to do anything right in this breed..

 Right now I have a had about as much as I can take ,I just cant understand how good intention can be twisted into something sour .. if it makes anyone feel better then continue to question my ethic/motivation.I personally have just have had enough ,its just not worth the hurt..

Heather:

As the 2 day show statement was on your page of this thread, can you clear up for me 2 points  regarding the taking of photos please.

Is the " Official photographer " going to ask permission of the dog owners, not all owners seek publicity or see a photo as a means to advertise their wares.Some owners have good jobs and don't need their dogs to provide an income.

And secondly whats to stop people taking photos of winners etc from outside the ring, with a half decent camera and long lens this would be simple.

Really it would have all been better of the 2 day committe not to have had these unworkable rules.

Well, to the negative minority.  I really hope you are happy now!  No one should be bullied in this way and made to feel that they have to come on here and defend themselves to you!  Some have questioned Lin's integrity and believe me when you have some and someone questions it, it is not a nice feeling.  Lin has bagfuls of this particular quality and this is the sole reason why she has refused to try and make money of people through her photography, it's just a pity some didn't realise this sooner and just saw fit to criticise.

Thanks Heather for clearing up a few of my concerns.

440 pages of advertising eh? Well that certainly will go a long way towards the £1000's Sue B predicted it would cost to produce such a book.

I dont not support the venture, I just wasn't as informed as you seem to have been, and neither it seems, were a few others.

I would say that it surprises me if the organisers of British Sieger are allowing photos taken by their official photographer to be used in this way, but it wont be the first thing that has made me raise an eyebrow today

Zac

Pencil,

I have nothing to do with the 2 day show.  It was only started on the threat for our club, following some other comments to congratulate winners etc.

However, in answer to your question I suggest you read the latest statement made by the 2 day committe in relation to this point, which is further up this thread or on it's own thread, from where I cut and pasted it onto this as this one was about that particular issue.  I hope this makes sense

Heather: yes i have read it thats why i asked you your opinion on my 2 questions.thanks anyway-guess i should have known better-flannel is something you wash your face with.

Hi Lin,

Lets start by saying there must be a problem in the email linkage between us because I have heard nothing from you since you sent me the West Yks CD, which Yes I did send a thank You to you via email !  I dont know what shows you have been at but apart from the photo's you took at Fife GSD champ Show last May (where I was first made aware of you) I have not received any other photo's from you since, so can only presume that you were not present at either of the two shows where my female took her 2nd and 3rd CC 's (including BOB) or at the Irish 2 Day National where my other female won the PG Bitch Class or the 2007 British Sieger where my female finished 3rd in Open!!. Is that correct? In which case it is quite some while since I received anything from you via email.

As for making me out to be the bad guy here, it must have been obvious to all (including yourself) that along with others including Xfactor this thread was the first I had heard anything about this Photo book or the decision taken by the 2 Day Show committee re photographs, so why single me out and make me out to be the person who hurt you the most ? I was just reacting to what was being told to all of us reading this thread, so dont think you have a monopoly on being hurt, I think you will find it to be a two way street. As for Heathers comments on confusion, for people hearing about all of this for the first time it WAS confusing, not all of us constantly have the ears of yourself or the Scottish GSD Club.

Anyway enough said, I apologise if I misjudged you and it certainly was not my intention to upset you but since you appear to have taken umbridge at not receiving a reply from me re the West Yks CD you sent, perhaps it true to say you also misjudged me.

Regards

Sue B

Pencil, please!!! It's been a long day!  You asked me questions, that I cannot possibly answer, well one of them anyway.  How the heck do I know what their official photographer is going to do in relation to asking permission?  Ask the committee or the photographer.  As for your second question, nothing is stopping them and yes it would be simple.  Does this satisfy your needs?

Zac, the book is a total of 440 pages, including the advertising, so no it will not pay for the project, hence the need for sponsorship.  I am better informed than most, because I spend time with Lin and count her as a friend.  You would all have been equally informed in due course with the advert.  And why wouldn't the British Sieger want photo's used in this way.  They are used in Our Dogs, Dog World, BC Magazine and on numerous websites.  This book is to promote the breed, is that not a good thing?

You know what, like Lin I am sick of trying to defend and justify.  If your not happy then don't participate in it, it's that simple.  I'm tired now, so goodnight.

Heather,

You know only too well I speak as I find, I have never made a habit of only telling people the things they want to hear whilst saying something entirely different behind their backs, I leave that to the sneaky, snivelling cowards that frequent our rings these days as well as this board.

If, as it appears from your carefully worded comments above you want to take issue with me over this then please stop doing so by inuendo, just come out and say so. There is far too much back-biting going on in this breed as it is without you joining in. Oh and for those of you who dont know the difference, back biting is done by those who say nasty things behind others back, not by people who have the guts to be up front and speak their thoughts out loud, giving everyone the chance to clear the air and sort things out. I find those who prefer to say nothing and keep their head down in public are the ones most likely to stab you in the back.   

Regards

Sue B