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Michele, 
While I agree with you about getting things in writing...that is very good advice and advice which I live by myself... in reality it doesn't offer any kind of a guarantee that things will go as they are written, in the event you aren't supplied with what is stipulated within the written agreement whether it be a written contract, written emails, or whatever you have in writing. 
It is here that the monitoring system of the regulating bodies of the dog world fail us...AKC< SV< CKC<UKC...no one there really cares nor do they seem to have a division that governs, regulates nor reprimands for these types of fraudulent transactions...so long as it isn't hitting them in their own pocketbook.  I am still trying to get registration papers for the female I was fraudulently sold by Daniela Huppe...aka DH, and who lied repeatedly and completely misrepresented the dog she sold me as a breeding female....June 4th 2008  has now made it a year since I purchased this female from Ms. Huppe, ...and still no papers. Female is not in any sense of the imagine a breeding female.   I have a file folder about 3 inches think on correspondences with her,  the SV, WA State attorney General, RCMP, CKC as well as with others of her clients whom she has duped, including that of the man to whom she sold the sister of my dog...also unbreedable and now sold into a pet home.   Filing charges with the authorities has done little good, and she has basicly told them to "kiss off" and "catch me if you can", and continues to do her advertising and selling dogs from this very database...while STILL not providing papers for the dogs she sells when it suits her...to this day I am still feeding and caring for the female she sold me, and have been hesitant to place the dog into a family home because I have not received papers to verify proof of my ownership of the dog, (but I do have the receipt for direct deposit of funds into her Blaine Washington Bank account...which was established just outside the Canadian border... :;(   which is my only proof of purchase in writing,  confirming my payment of her in several emails...right along with those emails she sent me that kept promising that "papers were in the works"..."on the way"..."her father was holding them for safekeeping"...even stating these things to the SV.   The bare truth of the matter is that without court intervention or winning a judgement against the offending party, little will be done about it.   I am still in process of obtaining that goal of winning my judgement...

 On the other hand, with scammers who's sole intent is to dupe people and defraud them of their money, or their purchased animals, it can be difficult to locate these parties and file against them in court...they aren't stupid about this aspect of the legal system either,  and they have most often taken great care to cover their  identity / location.  Not to mention that if /when these frauds are actually taken to court, there is nothing much of value that can be claimed in the settlement, which would recoup losses for money spent.  I am sure that will be the case in pursuing and ultimately winning my judgement, but I continue to pursue it and to enlighten people about her because it is a matter of principal in doing so, just as it is with the posting of this thread exposing the mis- treatment of animals.  Because this thread involves more than just claims of fraud, and describes the poor care and tre

this is why it is a waste to contact AKC or any other club:

taken from AKC's own website

"The American Kennel Club does not license or endorse anyone engaged in the commerce of selling purebred dogs and, therefore, has no control over the business practices of those involved in such transactions. Membership in the American Kennel Club is comprised of independent dog clubs located throughout the United States. No individual persons are members of the AKC."

Jennifer

 Because this thread involves more than just claims of fraud, and describes the poor care and treatment of animals, hopefully the authorities will investigate and take action where warranted...because ultimately it is the animals who pay the heaviest in these kinds of situations. 

There are still bylaws within the organization of AKC, and also the SV, which dictate and uphold the rules for registration of dogs; our dogs, for which they are responsible for the recording and documentation of the parentage thereof..including those brought in from foreign countries.  These dogs as well as the owners must meet and follow these guidelines for these dogs to be eligible for registration. It only seems reasonable that the people who are responsible for supplying  the registration paperwork for these dogs at the time of their sale, should be made to be accountable and abide by those guidelines set forth in the policy of the organizations in which the dogs are eligible to be registered in.  Those people that are brought to the forefront as deliberately abusing the known registration process or the inhumane treatment of these animals, with evidence being presented as proof of such claims...should be made accountable, by way of having a written internal process for inquiry which is set in place within these organizations.  This could be as easy as their retaining and storing information on individuals who are continually being reported as abusing the system...whether it be in the form of fraud, or in the way of mistreatment and abuse of the animals in their care and which they intend to have registered with these organizations.

At some point someone in these organizations has to be accountable...if they are the ones who are responsible for dictating the rules.  

 the AKC states on their own website...
We're more than champion dogs...
We're the dog's champion. 
Looking the other way does not portray a good example of being the dog's champion. 
   At the very least, if these same scammers continue to be reported by many different individuals, there should be a system of investigation in place,  which must be brought to some sort of conclusion within these organizations.  Should the individual be found to be guilty as charged, then dogs..any dogs...should no longer be allowed to be registered or housed by them, and this information should be made easily available to the public so that those who need to know this information can access the organizations' database for the names of such known people, in order to be made aware of their past fraudulent behavior.

No, it is not a waste to contact AKC about irregularities and violations in regards to registration. That is the one area that they do police. There is a process and it may be that you put in a complaint and you think that nothing happens. What may have happened is probation and that may be confidential. People who play fast and loose with the registration rules have a habit of repeating the behaviors (obsessive compulsive).

After some magic number of violations, there is suspension and possibly permanent explusion from the AKC registration system. There are people who have had their right to transact business with AKC terminated.

Michele and Pharaoh

 Michele,  you would think so, however I didn't find that  to be the case.   AKC will not proceed in investigating someone in the instance of not providing papers for a dog you purchased or imported, unless you have documentation from a judgement proving your case or have a copy of the papers from the seller where full information on the dog is provided.  This was promised me, in writing, but was never provided to me.  Had it not been for a show rating record on the female that DH sent me, I would not even have had her SV reg. number.   I am working toward obtaining a judgement at this time and once the judgement is awarded, AKC will grant me ownership rights and paperwork on the dog, which I will have had to prove I purchased. 

My point is : it should not be so difficult to police the registration system and those who use it,  and route out those who are working to defraud the system that we all pay for, directly...with the fees for registration of our dogs through AKC,   This of course all in addition to the point of her fraud by representing this female to me as a breeding female, stating she had never been bred, where in fact she had already attempted two separate matings with t wo different studs on two separate heat cycles...but hey, she didn't conceive...so does that mean she is being truthful in assuring me that she has never been bred?  Better yet, how about later finding out that she sold me a female who was discovered to have been born with only half a uterus??? That little gem of information would have never been discovered had I not been in a position of having to make the decision to breed this female via surgical insemination due to strictures present.  And while she may not have known about the abnormal uterus, she certainly did know that she had tried to breed this female, and failed...twice!  Worse yet...had she conceived a viable litter on the mating we did, with the intention to sell the pups into working homes, none of these pups could then be registered with AKC. 
Total Planned Scam from the getgo...

By the way....what is that magic number do you think?  I might be able to round up enough of her clients to meet that requirement.  LOL
 

Yes, I saw and read the initial post...I never stated that the parents of the pup in question were not AKC registered...
that's not the problem.

When a pup such as this is provided long after the litter is born, and paperwork is not provided along with the dog, there is nothing to document that it is indeed the pup from those two registered parents.  It is simply a pup, provided after being confronted about not sending the pup long after it should have been..without documentation or proof of parentage.
 AKC does not require that this pup must be DNA'd, in order to prove it is the pup as it is stated it is..unless the owner, SUSAN< requests that DNA tests be run, for instance, if she is not able to obtain papers from seller, or there is evidence that the pup in question has been reported as deceasesd, or is registered / or puppy application papers were provided to someone else and Susan challenges their right to have ownership of the dog which she was indeed sold, as stated in her contract (??) from the seller.

There is also nothing that AKC will do to force papers to be sent  to the owner, Susan, by the seller.    They will look at this as a civil matter...unless it is deemed to be a criminal case requiring an investigation by the authorities, whereby she will have to join the ranks and file her claim.

If the pup from this litter and which Susan indeed was to get from seller has not died, nor another party has registered this pup previously as their own, possibly she can file for lost papers with AKC?  If she can determine what the litter number is for this particular puppy.
And If they aren't already issued to someone else for her pup from this litter.

Susan may be requiring the services of an attorney. .  who after reviewing all of the documents and proof of payment for the pup, (in the form of pup back from Voxi) will present her case in court, hopefully a judgement will be awarded to her, and then AKC will take a serious look at allowing the papers to be issued to her for this dog in the event she is not sent them from seller and the pup was never sold to someone else.   
There are many stories of sellers not providing papers for pups and dogs which they sell, or of sellers who provide dogs which look nothing like the photos buyers have been shown of the dog they are purchasing, nor of the parents, or just "send any old pup" and tell their buyer it is one of the "SUPER PUPPIES  from the litter with X and X..."
Here is but one more instance ...dog suddenly provided, no papers sent with the dog.

If papers were issued from AKC on this particular animal, they should have been provided with the dog when the dog was shipped.
Has Susan received papers for this dog as of this time?

Czech DDR Lover:   SORRY YOU GOT THE AXE FROM   D.H.     Sure glad it wasnt  Tammy and I  ....We had the   UH- priviledge to try to buy an Ausland dog she was selling for MR. Richard   so an so....in Kentucky,,, and we almost fell into the same bottomless pit of lies you got...dog was not ofa....even though on database it say   HD_excellent and we heard all kinds of stories about that and the dog had been bred at 16mos old ,,we undug these facts  ,,,,she wanted Tammy to buy him and she would refund later if hips didnt pan out...even though we got a lecture that ofa is full of interns that dont know what they are doing and the vet says these hips are good...without a doubt...then why  IS THE HD ON DATABASE   EXCELLENT..

I could fill this page and the chewing out I got about Tammy and how    she was  nuts,,,was unbelievable...we found out from another person , a reference,, we better back off...I put a quiotisis on that sale...

So I know , first hand what you , got done to you...and we hopped off the boat before it sank...thank goodness

Thank you Yellowrose for stepping up and stating the scam facts that you learned about being posted in DH's ads...
I know that you and I aren't the only ones, with additional people continuing to be scammed by this person.

The only way to get something done about all these scammers is for us as dog lovers to UNITE>>>
With AKC and also the SV, since these are the registries that we deal with the most on dogs we import or that handle the recoerds for our pups produced here in the US.  

In filing my case of fraud by DH, I worked directly with the following persons: 
At AKC   Jill B. Zapadinsky JBZ@akc.org
Manager, Case Management Department
(919) 816-3696
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and at the SV:
Anna Fath                                                                                also Sabine
annefath@schaeferhunde.de                                             akc@schaeferhunde.de 
49-821-74002-59                                                                    49-821-74002-59
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To those who are responding to this thread, and have been affected by this or other similar cases of fraud and abuse/discrepency of animals, there is power in numbers if we all contact the registries with your complaints of abuse and fraud and provide your case info, in the hope they realize that there is truly a problem in this area and decide they must take action and investigate. 


 

I don't believe any of you would appreciate adding a dog into your breeding program, based on bloodlines, only to later learn that the dog you have been breeding and producing offspring from is not the dog you were assured you were getting in your purchase.  That is, assuming you are fortunate enough to have gotten the dog and papers in the first place.

Parentage is questionable if the dog's aren't being supervised during matings and are allowed to run with many other possible studs who can sire pups from these females within the same litter. ...and this is also the case when animals are sent without proper documentation or identification.