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I sold a male pup which was 4 months old at the time to a friend. Everything was ok with him at the time of sale, both testicles were down, even my friend felt them both. Now the pup is 7 months old and only 1 testicle is there, the other must have gone back up since the time he was sold. My question is should the pup be replaced? I have already decided to replace the pup because it is my good friend. But I would like to know if I AM REQUIRED to replace it, since he left me with both testicles already down. I would like to hear responses from experienced breeders please.

I personally would. Some will say if you didn't have it writing about the testicles you don't owe them. But I feel you should stand by the dog and replace your friend the difference between a pet quality dog and breeding quality. You are required to if you sold as breeding quality because you can't breed a dog with one testicle. Once again that is just my opinion and outlook but good luck and don't lose a friend over it. Best of Luck!!

There is a contractual obligation which you may or may not have, depending on whether you actually had a contract. There is also the issue of what the friend/buyer intends to do with his pup. For a variety of reasons, I would think the question of what to do in this situation would be clear. Is loosing a friend worth failing to replace the pup?

Hello, Yes definitely stand behind the dog....But remember once a dog leaves your place, you can't always be sure of how it's treated.... Sometimes an infection can cause this problem with the testicle..Is it possible that the dog could've had an infection you were unaware of? No matter friend or not, a reputable breeder should have fair practices for the animal and the person involved... My motto is , the dog comes 1st then the human! There are many ways to rectify some problems and alot of breeders lately seem to be getting slack, cause there are so many complaints I see on this forum... and I thought we were all here for the GSD breed that we love....

Have the pup checked out my vet said that sometimes this will happen and the testical will come back down. He recommended x-raying him to see where it is. Also you should have two contracts one for pet buyers and one for show/breeding buyers. Contracts for the show buyer should contain all the things that you are going to garentee. And so on for the pet contract. I personally will have the show puppy brought back to me and then I will replace the pup with another or give a differance in amount of pet/show refund back if they decide that they would like to keep the pup as a pet. I have to say that the biggest thing that I have learned is have a contract even if it is with your friend, mother, ect. so that everyone knows what is going on and expected. And then stick to your contract in all matters. There should never be the question "what should I do?" because both parties have aggreed befor the put was ever purchased. I have to admit that I wll go above and beond for a show buyer, because they are going to put alot of time and money into this dog and just promote my kennel, these are the people that you will want to buy your pup and make sure that you give the best contract so that they feel good about the purchase. Heather

Het, I agree with you about the contracts, one for pet and one for show... but remember, that little kid or person that buys the puppy for a pet will probably love him more and treat him better than any show dog because there isn't that money factor or politics involved, so I try to go that extra mile for them also...but just my opinion....

Well I guess I put that wrong. I have a very good contract for both....but a show person is not going to freek out everytime the pup has a loose stool and think that the dog has some major disease....so normally if they think that something is really wrong they have no problem with getting the right proof ect...where pet people get very angry and think that you should just trust them....I think there was a tread on this exact thing.

I had one guy that bought a pet puppy, and then got so angry that one of the testicals never came down. He called me three times a day wanting his money back. I told him that per our contract that that isn't covered, that if he had bought a show puppy it would have but he wanted "just a pet" and that he had to neutar him anyway, so it didn't matter that the testical didn't come down....and by the way he knew it wasn't down befor he took the pup from my house. Well when all was said and done he was trying to use him to breed to his friends dog, and the pup was only 8 months old. When I remined him that the pup had a limited registration and that he was sold as a pet and that if he did breed him that I have the right to take him back, that is what the contract states and he agreed to it. He was just tring to get around paying for the show/breeding quality puppy. I have never had any problems out of my show people. They are up front and tell me exactly what they are looking for and expect. We have great relations...it is only the pet people that cause the stress.

and not all the pet people, I have been very lucky from what I have been told, but then I do have a very extesive process that I screen people. I have some wonderful people that are now great friends.

Het Do not hope that your way of thinking is the same as a majority of GSD breeders around the world. First of all - every buyer of a GSD puppy should have the same rights from the same breeder. That is if the fault havn't been discovered at the time of he sale. Then an extra contract may be issued. Ex.: "The puppy is longhair so there will be no refund or replacement for this..." The same goes for testicals etc. One should not create a contract with the aim to have something to hide behind. Rather a contract that will motivate you even harder to produce GSD with better health. Correct me if I'm wrong (and then I'm truly sorry) but what I read between the lines is: "lack of testicals or other problems ain't a problem - simply sell them as a family pet". That will not help the breed as a whole.