Silho shepherds - Page 11

Let me say this again: there is NO wolf blood in Tina Barber's dogs, except for a very small amount through the cross to Samson, who, as I understand it, was a malemute/GSD mix. The breeders who broke with Tina are responsible for the wolf outcrossing, as well as continuing to backcross the Shiloh to various types of GSD's (long hair, DDR, East and West German mostly.)

And as for what a Schutzhund -trained  or PP-trained GSD is capable of, believe me, Tina is speaking from EXPERIENCE!!  Not all Schutzhund GSD's would turn on a child, when in full attack mode, but please don't try to tell me that none of them would! I've heard enough stories to know better, and some of them came from people on this forum, NOT Tina!  Yes, the good dogs, and the well-trained ones wouldn't do it, but let's face it,  not all GSD's are well trained or stable.

the whole thing is a little confusing to me.  on tina's website she says she "degreed" 14 dogs wih NASA for 10 years beginning in  1962, but i don't think NASA was even formed until 1969, and it was only in existence for a very short time.  UScA came along in the early 70s and DVG AMERICA formed in the late 70s.   i may be off on my dates, does someone know exactly when NASA was formed and when it went defunct?  it is also my understanding NASA trials/training bore little resemblance to schH (then or now!).

okay, so now you are talking about a dog in "full attack mode",  killing a child during part C?  what is 'full attack mode' anyway?  when did this EVER happen or is this out of someones imagination? 

BEWARE OF THE FEROCIOUS CHILD EATING SCHUTZHUND (and TDI)  DOG!!

They are clearly all sitting still because running away from this vicious animal will invoke her highly dangerous prey drive, inciting her to rip the children to pieces!

"tina's website she says she "degreed" 14 dogs wih NASA for 10 years beginning in  1962, but i don't think NASA was even formed until 1969, and it was only in existence for a very short time"

Uh, no, NASA was formed in 1958 [I think after Sputnik] and is still around. 

Sue said: okay, so now you are talking about a dog in "full attack mode",  killing a child during part C?  what is 'full attack mode' anyway?  when did this EVER happen or is this out of someones imagination? 

What started this was I told the story of Tina's GSD, Tammy, who was grabbed by Tina's 2 year old son, just as she was about to go after the helper. Tammy was a very 'serious' dog, and Tina fully expected John to get bitten. Instead, Tammy instantly realized this was a child that had grabbed her, and 'switched gears' as it were, to avoid hurting him. Tina worked with some very hard dogs during the time she trained for schutzhund and personal protection, and had even seen dogs bite their handler, under similar circumstances.

So, those of you who say this is all hot air, let's take it 'by the numbers'...

As I understand it, the dog was not working in play drive, or prey drive, but in defense/fight drive, focused on the helper, not the sleeve. I believe this would be similar to the 'space' a dog is in when fighting with another dog.

How many of you have been bitten by your own dog when breaking up a dog fight?

If that had been YOUR kid, wouldn't YOUR heart have been in your mouth at that moment?

Am I saying ALL schutzhund dogs are vicious monsters, who would have bitten the child to death under similar circumstances?

No, absolutely not. Don't put words into my mouth.

If it was my child, they would have been seated well away from the training field! 2 years old and permitted to go grab a dog that's about to be sent?! Seriously, wtf!

i can't believe someone wants to defend a woman so obviously full of shit and careless.  a 2 year old wandering near a dog ready to be sent on the helper, sounds like a really serious club.  Or more like a fabricated story to help sell her dogs

Nancy;  NASA stands for NORTH AMERICAN SCHUTZHUND ASSOCIATION and was the first schutzhund organization in this country.  this isn't rocket science ya know. HAHAHA!!

I'm with you zdog. 

you know what?  when you look close there are too many things that don't add up, this is beginning to really stink.  for instance  if she is 60, then she was 14 in 1962 when she was "degreeing" all those dogs. 

look tina may be your hero, but the rest of us don't want to swallow.

RE NASA - well LOL my dog finds dead people - and we don't do any sportwork.  Live and learn!

Tina grew up watching and helping her dad train dogs. She degreed her first Schutzhund dog at the age of 16. George Theriot was her mentor. NASA did not begin to keep records until 1971, however, which is when it officially became a club (according to Tina.) Before that, it was just a group of people who got together to train their dogs.  [sarcasm] Of course, she may be wrong about this, the way she is about everything else![/sarcasm] 

You guys are SO predictable! I just knew you'd criticize Tina for letting her kid get near the dog! Of course, none of you have ever made a mistake, huh?