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anton

by anton on 19 December 2004 - 05:12

If you had to pick one west german show line dog as the best in protection, who would you pick? A dog that is bordering civil work. Hard and fearless. I would like to hear from the members who attend the shows and have seen these dogs work in person.I'm refering to the dogs that are currently at the top of their game and their progeny are in demand. Looking forward to your thoughts!

by Alexis on 19 December 2004 - 06:12

Good question Anton! I put my vote in for Urban vom Gleisenauer Schloß. He is now in California at Lundborg-Land kennels. Not only is his protection work very serious and hard, he's also producing excellent progeny. He might be the strongest show dog I personally have ever watched work.

by viking on 19 December 2004 - 09:12

Urban vom Gleisenauer Schloß, Karat's Ulk,

Dog1

by Dog1 on 19 December 2004 - 18:12

There is no dog in the US and not many in Germany that have the reputation, performance, production, demand and genetics of Jaguar Mausespitz. He stands alone in an empty field. I have the personal pleasure of handling Jaguar myself at a Bernhard Flinks/Armin Winkler Seminar when Jaguar first arrived in the US. Bernhard had given his difference between the show and working speach discussing the diference between the two types of dogs. Jaguar stood silent as Bernhard approached. The bite was quick, full and hard. Out was instant, guard almost took a nose. Bernhard's opinion and I quote. "All show dogs like this, No problem with the German Shepherd." In Germany many of my friends had heard Jaguar went to the US. In discussion there were a few comments that he didn't have the best conformation of all the Ursus sons. I listened and when the discussion was complete. I asked which dog from the discussion has better working ability? The group was silent.

by tcall36917 on 19 December 2004 - 19:12

i agree with dog1 in that jaguar is a nice dog with nice bite work however have you seen urbans bite work in person and we where aslo asked about prodigy and everyone of urbans prodigy is top awesome dog urban is young and quit a career ahead of him and at ahnd including his prodigy if we could get both out on the field i would have to say well lets just say i would like to see it happen awesome awesome dog yes ursus nice but lets not forget Ghandi von Arlett

Dog1

by Dog1 on 19 December 2004 - 19:12

I think there have been some comments on Urban's performance in Nashville on the web. I was there and believe he demonstrated what his reputation is. I will refrain from commenting on what I saw until I see the video. I don't pass judgement on one performance either. Maybe someone that knows the dog can comment on his abilities. No doubt he passed twice in Germany so no discredit to the dog. The question this topic addresses is "Who is Best?" Did anyone else see his front half in Nashville that cares to comment?

Hundguy

by Hundguy on 19 December 2004 - 21:12

Well as Randy knows I am out of the show lines completly now. But if you are wondering what dog works the best that I have seen personally, hands down it is Indo (steve House & Cindy Peterson). I can not remember his kennel name. I watched video of Burschy he has super working ability also. I have video from numerous shows, Korungs (including the bitework from the 2003 WDA SS). I could not even watch the whole video of the SS bitework it was so sad to watch. Randy I was emailed that (Urban)video and watched it. The front half was weak but the longbite was fast and he came through good. The problem is the out and leaving the helper!!! to me that is a real problem.

by Alexis on 19 December 2004 - 22:12

Yes, the question was "Who is the best?" But the comment was also made "A dog that is bordering on civil work." Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that's what makes for great debates. Jaguar is a superb worker. One of the best working show dogs I have seen. Let's not forget Indo vom Geesthugel either. What about Triumph's Gucci? And there was even one at this year's NASS that I had never seen before, and have not seen since, but wish I had more opportunity to see the dog work. That was a dog named Alihazi Gino. Besides Urban, he was the only dog that did more than impress me at that show. Unfortunately, the conformation on this Alihazi Gino was not in the same league as the dogs listed above. He sure did leave a mark though in regards to his protection work. Go back a little farther and you can even look at dogs like Xasko von der Roten Matter, Karat's Witus, Lord vom Georg Viktor Turm, Lenon du Val D'Anzin, and even Laius vom Moorbeck. Now that last one was amazing to watch work. There should be more out there like Laius. Lenon was a nasty SOB that I wouldn't want to upset in any way. Now that was a dog I'd want with me walking in the worst neighborhoods. Whatever happened with him anyways? The front half in Nashville didn't do anything to change my mind about Urban. His front half in Madison was clean, excellent. Every dog is entitled to an "off" day. The question again was "who's the best?" Not "who's routine is flawless?" He probably should not have been given the "Does out" in Nashville, but that's what he was awarded. I'd still take him over any of the other dogs there. Three of the other VA's almost came off the sleeve there, and many dogs actually did. Now which one would you prefer? A dog that is hesitant or comes off the sleeve, or a dog like Urban, who clearly wanted to continue the fight. Not ALL dogs who do not want to out have insecurity issues. Of what we have out there now, Urban is in a big position to improve much upon the breed here in the US. As is Yasko (I've never actually seen Yasko work in person, so I have not included him in my list. What I have seen on video was impressive though). As is Jaguar. And Gucci. And Indo. And many others that are not so well known. Anton also included progeny in his question, so all being considered, I go with Urban. Although Urban has only been old enough for breeding for a year and a half or so, I'm more impressed what what I'm seeing out of him than what I've seen out of Jaguar, but that doesn't mean I don't like anything out of Jaguar. I just like the Urban type better. I'm very anxious to see how the Urban progeny develop into their more mature years.

anton

by anton on 19 December 2004 - 22:12

I'm glad i asked this question. Whats surprising to me is that only two dogs are dominating the discussion.Urban and Jaguar must be very impressive to watch.

Dog1

by Dog1 on 19 December 2004 - 23:12

You can include Indo and Uno in the discussion. These dogs are clear and excellent workers too. I forgot to mention Kodie, Mary Shields dog. Kodie was a bit much for family life so he wound up with Mary. Mary had her hands full. In the end this dog performs, what a great job. Those that saw him in Canada this year know what I mean. Conformation dogs that command the respect of the working line trainers are few and far between. There are enough out there that if you really want the ability, you have a good chance of getting it. I'm sure the list is longer than what is here and what will be posted here. There are dogs in clubs in Germany that belong to people that don't participate at levels that thrust them in public view. There are many good dogs in situations like this you never hear of. Some of the better working abilities are middle placing dogs. That's why it's important to consider more than just a place in a show.





 


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