This is a placeholder text
Group text
by Czech DDR Lover on 09 January 2009 - 00:01
My best advice to you is call Kim to meet with her, and view her documentation showing proof of what she says.
Then join with Kim in our effort to bring Daniela to justice.
This will be in your best interest, as well as Kims.
To do otherwise in light of the knowledge you now have puts your motives in an unproductive and unpositive light.
by bgstout on 09 January 2009 - 01:01
How many puppies did Nando produce for vom hayden at 1800.00 each? Who has the money from the puppy sales?
Who made money off Nando?
by wuzzup on 09 January 2009 - 01:01
I do not believe this saga will end happily for some.It seems there is no room for negotiation.Agreements have been made and broken.Sad story,im sure this will not end anytime soon..
by greatestgsd on 09 January 2009 - 01:01
bgstout seems to be the only one getting the idea, DH had received no money for Nando, NONE! Lets see, I paid $3,500.00 for my Von Bad-Boll daughter, I wanted to breed her, could not get a tie? took her to the repo vet, has stricture, paid money for surgical AI, so should I call the breeder and have him pay for all this? I THINK NOT!! Kim acquired this cost cause she agreed to take the dog in! She could of said no thanks, please come and get him! Just as I could of sent my girl back! We all are responsible for our decisions, not some one else!
by Czech DDR Lover on 09 January 2009 - 11:01
I would imagine that at least you got the paperwork for your bad boll daughter ...Breeders have many costs they do anticipate, along with a few emergencies, which are absorbed on a routine basis, as Kim has done in other areas of their arrangement. But when we are taking on these animals to be cared for, it is impossible to know what we will be in for without truthful information being given up front. Conception problems happen, and sometimes we don't know that a problem exists...but That's not my point. The point is...and I guess you still have to have it laid out...that you weren't LIED to deliberately with your bad boll daughter, the situation was rectified by your girl's surgical insem, I assume pregnancy occurred and she produced a litter, which then more than offset your expenses.
That is of course so long as you were able to get papers from that seller for your bad boll girl so your pups got registered. Would you be defending your seller if you had laid out the cash for the dog, the cash for the surgical insem, the time and cost to whelp out the pups, care for them, raise them and sell them only to find out you couldn't get any of them registered? Worse yet, would you be happy to have gone to this full extent and then LOST your whole litter, due to previously known but withheld breeding issues? Then afterward, still not getting papers on your female??? Highly doubtful.
DH could have received money from Kim on litters Nando produced from DH's females, had the females she sent to Kim been healthy and in breedable condition and had no breeding issues. Most likely these females had all been gotten by Daniela on the cheap just like Gesi was, due to known fertility issues or other problems.. one of these females Daniela offered to sell to me, I declined, and dog was not too long after sold to someone else. Last I heard new buyer had not received papers for the dog either. Meanwhile, Kim cared for DH's females with no payment for their care. This is what DH does. The hangup you have about making money on the pups sold from Nando is unjustified. You get paid when you work, everyone does...we all deserve to make a profit for our efforts...even Daniela. but not when profit is made with intent to damage others in the process.
by bgstout on 09 January 2009 - 20:01
ddrlover,
On Nando's page it says he sired 27 puppies for Vom Hayden. If each puppy was sold for 1800.00 that comes to 46,800.00.
Two questions did any of theses puppies get paperwork and who got the money from puppy sales?
Also greatestgsd has the Bad boll daughter, I'm not a breeder so I can't answear the questions about her situation.
Thanks
by greatestgsd on 10 January 2009 - 02:01
Yes, I did get papers for her, but also, I paid for her to! Makes a difference! Kim freely told me she did not pay for Nando! I don't see how DH could know if a female has repo problems or not? I don't think she is a vet herself, unless I am missing something.
by Czech DDR Lover on 12 January 2009 - 04:01
Well, Yes...you are definately missing something...that which has been laid out in great detail above and also on my website relaying the full disclosure of my similar transaction with Daniela. You are missing the fact that Daniela Routinely Scams people in the same manner as she is scamming Kim here. Daniela purchased from Germany the female Gesi that she speaks about being in Kims' care, which she later sold to me, fully knowing that she already had breeding issues..that was why she purchased her for approx. 800. eur in dispursement sale in Germany. When she arrrived here from Germany, DH directed her to be bred twice while under Kim's care, both times not conceiving. While initially presenting the dog to me for sale, she LIED to me by stating dog had never been bred, poo pooing her known fertility issues away by saying she had only had outside ties while in Kim's care... this is UNTRUE. None of her answers to my questions disclosed her short cycling issues, hormonal issues etc. nor the fact she had been bred on NUMEROUS occasions both by Kim at Daniela's direction and also when still in Germany, (with normal ties since they don't do AI in Germany) always failing to conceive. None of this was truthfully told prior to my agreeing to purchase the dog, ..certainly never disclosing her purchase agreement for Gesi from Germany where supposedly papers were not to be provided until the dog was neutered... None of this was relayed to me by Daniela and the dog she sold me in no way fit the requirements of a breeding female.
She also assured me that Gesi's papers would not be an issue. Still to this date I have not received her pink papers.
Everything else aside. NO PAPERS are A BIG PROBLEM, and a very familiar one with dogs sold by Daniela.
bgstout...
The questions you pose about the papers and price of Nando pups would be best addressed to Kim.
But you didn't address this: The hangup you have about making money on the pups sold from Nando is unjustified. You get paid when you work, everyone does...we all deserve to make a profit for our efforts...even Daniela.
but not when profit is made with intent to damage others in the process.
I think a better and more appropriate question would have been for you to ask: how many pups has Daniela collected half of the litter proceeds on, without ever supplying the owner rightful paperwork relinquishing ownership of said dogs during the lease period, thereby leaving the breeder of the litter holding the bag for not being able to supply their buyers rightful puppy papers?
This question applies to leased (or sold) animals before and after this particular transaction with Kim re:Nando.
I didn't correctly write that I was replying to greatestgsd about the Bad Boll daughter...
so this response is now directed properly once again
to greatestgsd:
Re:Yes, I did get papers for her, but also, I paid for her to! Makes a difference! Kim freely told me she did not pay for Nando! I don't see how DH could know if a female has repo problems or not? I don't think she is a vet herself, unless I am missing something.
by Czech DDR Lover on 12 January 2009 - 04:01
It makes no difference whether or not you have or havent paid money for a dog. Many times dogs are fully and rightfully transferred to another owner without money changing hands. Papers were fully intended to be awarded with the dog, and should have been properly dispursed by Daniela as agent of the transaction, whether it be in the capacity of full ownership, co-ownership, or temporary acting ownership via lease.
You might take note that none of this was rightfully followed through on by Daniela as is required during a lease of an animal for breeding purposes. Of course Daniela was well aware of this requirement.
Following these facts about Gesi being discovered, there is no way anyone would anyone agree with her that this is a breeding female candidate unless they are just plain stupid. Daniela knew that if she relayed the truthfull information to me on this female that I would have never gone ahead with this purchase. THUS her obvious INTENT was TO SCAM ME AND REMOVE HERSELF FROM HAVING TO BEAR THE LOSS HERSELF because she had KNOWINGLY TAKEN THE CHANCE SHE COULD POSSIBLY GET GESI BRED..BUT HAD BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL. SO she unloaded her on me by lying about her fitness as a breeding female, while at the same time SHE PROFITED 3100 EURO OVER HER PURCHASE PRICE OF approx. 800. EURO. Don't forget here that after being informed of Gesi's problems that she also lied yet again to me about what my dog's sister had produced...stating that she had 2 litters for the owner in Holland...Outright Lie...This related female was also unable to prodcuce any pups but had been sold as a breeding female in this case as well. DH had been informed of Gesi's sister not conceiving by that owner. Then factor in that I still have not received this dog's papers. Dog is now and has been PAID IN FULL by me to Daniela. Paid for IN CASH, Depoisited ditrectly in to her bank account. so AGAIN, what reason does she have for not providing papers to me????? Daniela provided nothing that she presented would be, in the sale of this dog to me. THIS IS KNOWN AS A SCAM>
You are right about this though...Daniela Huppe IS NOT A VETERINARIAN,
yet she challenges diagnosis/treatment given BY LICENSED, PRACTICING VETERINARIANS after they have been presented with whatever the situation was at hand.
by Czech DDR Lover on 12 January 2009 - 04:01
FYI..Even after my vet discovered that Gesi had only half a uterus...a genetic defect at birth...I didn't fault Daniela for not relaying this information to me.
However, this is the ONLY condition of Gesi's breeding history that she was not aware of when she sold this dog to me. Daniela's LIES confirm this was a deliberate scam sale of a dog she knew was already unbreedable.
That being said, by the same token neither my vet nor myself could have known that the dog I presented for physical examination had only half a uterus, during the routine physical exam conducted in exam room by my vet upon her arrival.
Because her irregular hormonal phermones given off during heat prevented my experienced male from finding her ready to breed, this resultingly gave cause for the surgical insemination.
In fact, I would Never have discovered the uterine abnormality had I not done a surgical insemination on the dog.
I never asked Daniela for veterinary compensation for these breeding procedures, which I had pursued in an effort to get the dog bred and have the dog conceive. But, following all of this I did send Daniela a letter, via email, to her then confirmed and known email, (which she still currently uses today but primarily only when it behoves her to do so, ) which stated to Daniela that she had through January 31, 2008 to either
1. send me via registered mail, with signature required, Gesi's pink papers from Germany which had been signed over by the rightful current owner of record listing my full name and address as Gesi's new owner
or
2. Send me full refund for the purchase price that I paid to her for Gesi, that being $5500.000 USD plus additional $440.00 USD for Kim's transport to airport and Gesi's resulting airfare to me. and that Should you choose #2, upon my receiving full payment Gesi will be sent to you COD if you want to have her back.
TO THIS DAY< NO RESPONSE, NO PAPERS RECEIVED.
So much for her "always getting back to people".
Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top
