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by Videx on 19 January 2009 - 18:01
Sunsilver: perfection I am not - please forgive my minor imperfections.
by missbeeb on 19 January 2009 - 19:01
Sunsilver, this is the UK, if most of us decide to split, then that's what will happen, personally, I now think that it's more important for us to get rid of the KC... that's the British KC! They show no interest in the health & welfare of our dogs, they are a hindrance!
by Videx on 19 January 2009 - 19:01
missbeeb: I applaud your comment and conclusion above.
by funky munky on 19 January 2009 - 19:01
Good post Missbeeb, total agreement from me!!!! liz
by missbeeb on 19 January 2009 - 19:01
So... I'm willing to offer a good few hours every week FOC, to do any admin' work, pedigrees etc... whatever, toward the new reg' system... is anybody interested?
by Sunsilver on 19 January 2009 - 19:01
Having just re-read Jantie's articles about the SV and the state of the German showlines, David, I have to question if even the SV REALLY has the breed's best interests at heart!
(See her blog for details: http://www.bloggen.be/hd/ and http://www.bloggen.be/hd/archief.php?ID=23772 )
Sorry, feeling very cynical at the moment. At least the SV does insist on the koer, and hip certification as a prerequisite for breeding. But the Almighty Dollar/Deutschmark still rules the day...
(See her blog for details: http://www.bloggen.be/hd/ and http://www.bloggen.be/hd/archief.php?ID=23772 )
Sorry, feeling very cynical at the moment. At least the SV does insist on the koer, and hip certification as a prerequisite for breeding. But the Almighty Dollar/Deutschmark still rules the day...
by Videx on 19 January 2009 - 19:01
Sunsilver: You should read several of my SIEGER IMPRESSIONS to learn more about the failings of the SV. You delight in 'nitpicking' while others try and deal with the big picture. You appear to suffer from cynicism quite frequently. I suggest you read the next report from Jan Demeyere of Belgium, you will see a contribution from me. You apparently do not even know the FULL list of requirements for GSD Breeding in Germany under SV Rules, believe me they are numerous and comprehensive. Visit my website, and read and learn, perhaps your cynicism will be replaced by dynamism and progressive ideas, leading to constructive comment.
I hope my spelling doesn't bother you too much.
I hope my spelling doesn't bother you too much.
by Sunsilver on 19 January 2009 - 20:01
Sorry, David, small errors/typos I'm happy to ignore, but if you're going to take on the Alsatianists, you should at least spell their name correctly...
I have read your most recent Sieger impressions, and also some of Fred Lanting's impressions. And I am quite familiar with the SV breeding requirements, and wholeheartedly agree with their efforts to keep the breed strong. What I don't agree with is what has happened to the appearance of the German showline dogs during the last few decades under the rule of the Martin brothers. Jantie's animated skeleton shows all too clearly what has happened. You can also see it if you look at the historical seiger pictures posted on the PDB.
Those who breed and show German showlines believe they are the ultimate GSD's, and that the changes you see over the decades (see? I CAN look at the 'big picture'!) are for the better. Can you explain this, David? I've never heard an explanation that satisfies me or makes sense.
In my opinion, the smoothest, most effortless trotting gait comes from an animal like the wolf, which has a level back and moderate angulation. The extreme angulation, sloping and/or roached topline of the German dog may produce the coveted 'stride as long as possible' but it also wastes energy. If the GSD truly is meant to be a working dog, then they should be bred with a conformation that allows them to work all day with as little wasted energy as possible.
I have read your most recent Sieger impressions, and also some of Fred Lanting's impressions. And I am quite familiar with the SV breeding requirements, and wholeheartedly agree with their efforts to keep the breed strong. What I don't agree with is what has happened to the appearance of the German showline dogs during the last few decades under the rule of the Martin brothers. Jantie's animated skeleton shows all too clearly what has happened. You can also see it if you look at the historical seiger pictures posted on the PDB.
Those who breed and show German showlines believe they are the ultimate GSD's, and that the changes you see over the decades (see? I CAN look at the 'big picture'!) are for the better. Can you explain this, David? I've never heard an explanation that satisfies me or makes sense.
In my opinion, the smoothest, most effortless trotting gait comes from an animal like the wolf, which has a level back and moderate angulation. The extreme angulation, sloping and/or roached topline of the German dog may produce the coveted 'stride as long as possible' but it also wastes energy. If the GSD truly is meant to be a working dog, then they should be bred with a conformation that allows them to work all day with as little wasted energy as possible.
by Videx on 19 January 2009 - 23:01
Sunsilver: Your opinions clearly illustrate you are stuck in a time warp and you do not readily accept progress. end of
by Videx on 20 January 2009 - 07:01
The Kennel Club amendments to the GSD Breed Standard are clearly intended to create a GSD here in the United Kingdom which will resemble the Alsatian. The Kennel Club are reinforcing their amendments with instructions to all GSD Judges, which in turn will be supported by Kennel Club official monitors. Such is the intention of the Kennel Club. The Alsatianists have always had strong influence within the Kennel Club, and there are GSD enthusiasts who are members of the Kennel Club, and who some in our breed may consider "co-operate" with the Kennel Club, in order to ingratiate themselves with the KC hierarchy, to open up opportunities for them to attain higher influence and status within Clarges Street (headquarters of the KC). I would implore anyone with any evidence of this behaviour to go public on it, especially where their is corroboration from others. We must weed out the enemies within.
Make no mistake; all GSD enthusiasts within the United Kingdom have a responsibility to do all in their power to protect our breed’s future. We have hundreds of thousands of allies around the World. We should seek their fullest support. The GSD is a very popular GLOBAL BREED, and as such it certainly deserves a GLOBAL BREED STANDARD. At the very least, it should be remembered the UK is in Europe, and as a minimum we REQUIRE A EUROPEAN GSD BREED STANDARD. I am certain the SV in Germany, and the WUSV throughout Europe and the World, will offer their fullest support. The FCI, I feel sure, will find it very unsatisfactory and unacceptable to have INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS within our breed, facing difficulties when exhibiting their GSD and contending with JUDGES who are JUDGING to DIFFERENT BREED STANDARDS for the same very popular breed, the GSD. The Kennel Club is NOT AN ISLAND UNTO ITSELF, although it may like to think so. There are many POWERFUL organisations out there that they NEED to co-operate with, especially the FCI.
Make no mistake; all GSD enthusiasts within the United Kingdom have a responsibility to do all in their power to protect our breed’s future. We have hundreds of thousands of allies around the World. We should seek their fullest support. The GSD is a very popular GLOBAL BREED, and as such it certainly deserves a GLOBAL BREED STANDARD. At the very least, it should be remembered the UK is in Europe, and as a minimum we REQUIRE A EUROPEAN GSD BREED STANDARD. I am certain the SV in Germany, and the WUSV throughout Europe and the World, will offer their fullest support. The FCI, I feel sure, will find it very unsatisfactory and unacceptable to have INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS within our breed, facing difficulties when exhibiting their GSD and contending with JUDGES who are JUDGING to DIFFERENT BREED STANDARDS for the same very popular breed, the GSD. The Kennel Club is NOT AN ISLAND UNTO ITSELF, although it may like to think so. There are many POWERFUL organisations out there that they NEED to co-operate with, especially the FCI.
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