Breed Standard Changes in UK (GSD and non-GSD) - Page 3

Misbeeb, I did answer your question. I do know the difference between a straight back and a level back, and I do think most German showlines are not correctly constructed.

This dog has a straight back, but it certainly isn't level:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/509439.html

Yes, his withers could be a tad higher...

And, the withers is the area between the shoulderblades, just below the neck.

sunsilver read the breed standard then equate it to the german dogs ie the 2008 VA dogs and tell me where they are not correctly constructed all dogs have faults but these dogs are about as close to the standard as you are likely to see
jim h

Jaymesie51,

 VERY good explanation of the difference between a "straight" back and a "level" back.  Thank you!!

Anyone know who this dog is? The pic is from the 1950s - 1960s era from http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/p2p.html?seenIEPage=1

I think this is a dog that would V rate today. Nice shoulder, nice back, nice croup. Maybe a smidge long in body proportionately.

To argue with YUKKAS - UK Alsatianists, over the breed standard, and in particular about the BACKS of a GSD - is akin to trying to train a dog by writing the training instructions on a piece of paper and handing them to the dog.

UK Alsatianists can breed what they like, Breeders who specialise in Blues, livers, whites, and longcoats, will certainly continue with their activities, and have them REGISTERED by the KENNEL CLUB.

Those that breed from GSD that are NOT health screened in any way, and those that breed from GSD that have been diagnosed by a Vet to suffer from serious genetic diseases, will continue regardless and their offspring WILL continue to be REGISTERED by the KENNEL CLUB.

The ONLY area where the KENNEL CLUB can impose or try to impose their BREED STANDARD is in the SHOW RING - answer - DO NOT SHOW. - THEN SIMPLY DO WHAT YOU LIKE. This is what the Kennel Club is encouraging.

The Kennel Club is NOT fit for function. We need to establish an alternative REGISTRATION organisation in the UK or use a European organisation. One which takes the health and wellbeing of our breed very seriously. It is likely that one of the many breeds being insulted by the Kennel Club under their current wave of activity will ESTABLISH an alternative. The ANTI-MONOPOLY LAWS, both here and in Europe, will STOP the Kennel Club from taking any punitive measures against anyone.

It is time we gave the Kennel Club the heave ho!

Jay
"sunsilver you do not know what you are talking about a roach back is when the back is higher than the withers fact"

Got to disagree with you there.  If the standard was saying that a roach topline was undesirable, you might have a point, but it doesn't.  It states roach back and that is not as you descrbe.

Whether the back is roached or not is dependent on the line of the back between withers and croup, not the actual level in relation to the ground.  If you draw a line between those two points, and the backline rises above this... then there is a roach.

To use your method of defining a roach, you are reliant on the anatomy of the hindqurters and ground level/incline.  That's to say, if a dog stands in a crouching pose, as so many German showline dogs do, you are lowering one end of the topline, with the withers remaining in position as the pivot.  If the same dog stood with normal hindquarter stance, the topline would run the same line, but the roach would be higher, and so above the withers.  Same if you stood the dog downhill.... well more or less, there would be some balance compensation but you know what I mean.  The withers would be lower and the line of the back would rise above.

Re Videx post above

 

The KC is a business. FULLSTOP with no regard for any breed, we need one or both of our WUSV breed clubs to grasp the nettle and establish with consultation with the real breed enthusiast from both sides of the fence ie show and working, a system based on the GSD its health both physical and mental, and then put in a two  tier registration system forcing upgrade through that system, the propasal to the KC is a start but makes NO attempt to maintain the GSD as a working dog