svv1 or zvv1 what does that mean for a dog in us - Page 3

Sorry to disappoint you, but, I have the info, first hand, from someone who was born and raised in Slovakia, and trained and titled dogs there.
But, I am sure that you being "the all knowing" would be more correct than first hand knowledge.
Believe what you want to believe.

OGBS:  Can you please elaborate with specifics?  Telling us you think it is a much more difficult thing to do really means nothing until you explain how and why.   From what I saw on the videos of both the svv1 dog and the svv3 dog, plus the written descripiton of svv1 on the Eurosport website I don't see anything more difficult than schutzhund.  Crawling and going over a ladder are not difficult to teach either. 

Sorry, I did not have time, until now, to watch the video "Jennie" put up.
It is not an SVV3/ZVV3.
It again looks like a Schutzhund trial that they are holding over there.
Maybe the dog has an SVV3, but, that surely is not an entire SVV3 protection phase.
There are very specific things that are missing. One of which, for anyone that knows this trialing system,  if the dog does not do correctly, it fails the whole 3 and has to do it over. Even if it does everything else correct.

Sue, I never said those things were hard to teach a dog. I said the trialing system is more demanding than Schutzhund.
There are many people able to throw a baseball 90mph, but, that doesn't  mean all of them can do it well enough to play Major League Baseball.


I wrote this before and I will post it again:

"A very good friend of mine, who is from Slovakia, is working on putting together a translated manual for the training and trialing of dogs in this manner....
If you are interested in more info send me a pm. I will be helping her write the manual so that it makes better sense in English."






I edited this post because I went back and looked and the dog did actually run the proper number of blinds.

OK I have trailed dogs under Schutz and also under ZVV rulebook. ZVV is more demanding than Schutz.. Svv 1 is not that much different from Schutz1. Higher title, bigger diference.  Maybe there are not so many HUGE diferrences between Schutz1 and ZVV1 but there are more things and a bit realistic scenarios.
ZVV3 and Schutz3 is not comperable.. that is like comparing apples to oranges. ZVV3 titled dog can get through Schutz right away if the dog had been trained Focus so it looks sporty. Take a Schutz dog and you wont make it past Tracking. I bet you my whole retirement... ::o)

So what is the difference between a SCH and a ZVV/SVV3, why keep it a secret;)

So what is being said by some here is that the WUSV champion ships are easy compared to the way the Czech and Slovakia handlers and methods are adapted in those countries,
Well if that was the case and SchH is so easy as something compared to the two countries above, then why is it that the Czech team finished in 13th place and the Slovakia team finished in 17th place in the WUSV 2008
This i would like to know the reason why because according to some, the WUSV competition taking in a good part of the Dog world is so much easier to do and the dogs therefore are infierior to the Czech and Slovac Dogs and Handlers
Let us all get rid of the German, Belgian, Dutch ,and Dogs of the USA bred lines and all go in for the best the two countries above
Some of you people do make silly and wild statements
Steve

Steve1,
I agree with you about silly statements because your post above is good example.
No one said one country's dogs are better than another. If you read carefully, this is what you should have been taught in school, you will see that in the above posts it says that the trials are more demanding and that they have more real world scenarios in them. "It is comparing apples to oranges"!
In my opinion, the reason that the Czech and Slovak dogs do not do as well in Schutzhund has more to do with the fact that the dogs are still less "sporty" than other parts of the GSD world and the training in those countries has not fully adapted to the style of training seen in high level Schutzhund.
Unfortunately, for a lot of the dogs that are now coming from the Czech Republic and Slovakia you are seeing that the breedings are going more towards "sporty". A man I know in Wisconsin that has a police dog facility used to, almost exclusively, bring in dogs only from Czechoslovakia (when it was one country). He has seen the dogs change to a "sporty" nature and rarely gets dogs from there anymore.
As for the 2008 WUSV. Were you there? I was.
I had a number of conversations with judges that have been in Schutzhund for awhile from USA, Germany, Austria, Canada and almost all of them said the same thing. These dogs are not what they used to be. If someone was to put real pressure on most of these dogs they would turn and run. Now for anyone who saw Ozzy Barnero from Slovakia (7th, 2007 WUSV), when he went in to the blind in the bark and hold he wanted to kill the helper. I don't mean a little bit he really wanted to go after him. Ozzy, of course, did not score well because of this. It depends on what you are looking for.

Chris,
It's interesting how the defeated always resort to personal attacks. I can have fun with this all day if you want.
ChristopherSmith (ChronicallyStupid)
That is when a discussion ends and it turns to something else.

Ozzy Barnero, Grim, Marco, Norbo, Orry, Erri,...etc all dogs that have either SVV or ZVV Titles and have been in the WUSV. Most multiple times.

That person, the one time poster, a woman, has actually trialed in ZVV (Czech), SVV(Slovak) and Schutzhund (here in the U.S.), but, you are the expert and all knowing so ramble on......

Again, no one said anything about the dogs being better, only different, and the trialing system being different and more demanding. Read in to it what you want and enjoy your world where you are the only one who could ever possibly be correct about something. The rest of us will easily be able to move on and enjoy our day.