Opinions Please! (Panda German Shepherds???) - Page 3

jletcher- I refer to it as the "shepherd shriek" although to be quite honest, a dog in its right mind, well handled, and well trained should never really feel the need to do it. It's a rather ear piercing noise I have noticed them do particularly when they freaking out when removed from their owner or having an adverse reaction to compulsion. Very common in poorly nerved dogs and, I have noticed, pretty common in whites as well.

Psycht

I was looking at the solid colour patterns that some have on their face such as this dog http://www.reddenblu.com/Tyra.html

Uberland where as this colour patten shown up before, or is this perhaps just in the US?

Pam

The dogs on this website are not purebred GDS dogs. They do have SOME GSD blood and genetics in them. The dogs are mixes.

Hi Pam,

That is called the mask.  Masking on the head is commonplace.  While ACDs can have body spots (either black or red depending whether the dog is a blue or a red), it is a fault and while it crops up, it is not the norm - particularly body covering spots such as the Panda's seem to have.  Most almost have a coloring that remind me of a short coated tri aussie. 

Here are examples of ACD coat colors:

http://www.kombinalong.com/study/colour.htm

Here is a great site on ACD coloring genetics:

http://www.ar.com.au/~norclark/acdcoat3.htm

A lot of mixed breed ranch dogs that people call "heelers" have big splotches of color on them.  That is generally not due to the ACD blood, if they even have any, in them.  Usually these dogs are a mixture of BC, Kelpie, McNiven, ACD, etc. 

Thanks for the info Psycht,

besides the links will look at the tri Aussie

Pam

i had never heard of these dogs before they sure look like gsd collie mixes but  according to the website, assuming the statement is the truth, these are pure bred gsds - genetics sure is mysterious.

http://www.pandashepherds.com/genetic_panda_info

A unique coat color pattern, termed Panda, occurs in a single bloodline of German Shepherd Dogs. With the help of the founding breeder, Ms. Cindy McCann of Ohio, we have analyzed the DNA of Panda dogs and their non-Panda littermates using modern genetic tools. We have found the following:

· The coat color pattern stems from a spontaneous mutation; it was not introduced from another breed or population.

· The novel mutation occurred in the Sire's germ line, and was then passed down to his daughter, who was the only offspring of that sire to show the distinguishing markings.

· In subsequent generations, the Panda pattern has exhibited an autosomal dominant mode of inheritance, consistent with the action of a single gene acting with full penetranpe.

· No discernible health affects have been observed in these dogs, though a double Panda dog has not yet been produced.

As the principal investigator of this study, I would be delighted to answer questions by breeders and owners who are interested in the genetics and biology of this coat color pattern. I can be contacted at:

Mark Neff, Ph.D.
VGL Canine Genetics
Center for Veterinary Genetics
School of Veterinary Medicine
University of California
Davis, CA 95616-8744
(530) 752-1381
mwneff@ucdavis.edu

again if this statement is true these dogs would be a common breed but a rare genetic anomaly.

I think we should agressively line breed these anomalies so we can narrow the gene pool even more and produce a bunch of super kooks, make a ton of money by calling it a 'new rare" breed and laugh all the way to the bank.

I have seen the 'panda' marked GSDs produced in other breedings not remotely related to Brain von der Wolper Lowen or Cynthia's Madchen Alspach, Frankie's parents.
I've seen pics fo a litter where this exact same type of white marking was seen (not the blue eyes, tho) in a litter that was born 10+yrs before this Frankie. Purebred without a doubt.
It's just a thing where a dog, for some reason or another, inherits more than the typically tolerated amount of white-on the chest, nose, legs, shoulders, tail tip.
If you watch on Hoobly, you will see people with tri-color 'panda' shepherd puppies for sale-some in Ohio. some in Indiana. There were ads for them just a month ago, but I don't think any are there currently. Not a major abnormality-just something that has cropped up in the breed. Since it's been monopolized in the US and the US is a major fan for "designer" stuff, including dogs, then its sold here.
If the demand wasn't there for people to purchase such-produced pups, then people wouldn't breed for such. The breed standard isn't considered when it comes to such. It's a novelty. Where else but in America! Do you think the German SV breeders would smile upon this, or cull it? lol. I'll let you guess.