watching the GSD that got thro at crufts - Page 8

Welcome back panzerhund, phew! you had me concerned for a time.

Health issues are a problem in a percentage of the breed, however less than 3 minutes on the web has provided me with the following hip score information.

Conadrew Lesko - 7   Dam : Conadrew Bianca - 9   Sire : Champion Phillip a d Haustraffe A Normal

So if I can find this others can too - this shows that the comments written above are without foundation and that the breeders and owners of this dog care about health screening.
And before anything is said - I have had to have a dog PTS at 7 months due to malformation of hip joints so this is something I am very passionate about.

Liebe I already had the information regarding the hipscores of the dogs, however its not just about the hip scores is it ?

And what can I say about Champion Phillip !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, am I going to get told that he is a true German Shepherd.

David their is more than one bad apple and you know it.

To get Dysplacia there is a percentage of genetics, a percentage of nutrition and a percentage of environment.  That calculation is not set in stone.  However going to a breeder who does screen and has several generations of screened dogs the likelihood of receiving a puppy with poor hips is much lower than getting a puppy from unscored parents.  Unfortunately much like with humans nothing is guaranteed and whilst you can do every test under the sun unfortunately there will be a puppy somewhere in whatever breed that is unlucky and will develop a problem.  

If you follow this forum regularly you will see that many on here want more enforcement from the KC to help the breed improve its scores and that we have had little or no response on the suggestions put forward.  If the breeder and owner of the dog on this thread have done nothing to you then I suggest you start a thread raising your issues and see what responses you get.

Imagine what could have happened at crufts - a dog that is unsound and with no screening could have won.

You need to see the good in these things.

In reply to David(videx) ref your statement about the BH/AD  "many people would be delighted to achieve one or both of these with their dogs" I to would have thought that also,
However our UK based gsdl club has advertised on this messageboard a BH and AD event in the near future,replies from PDB members  about where,when, who, a big fat ZERO.
I am not having a go at any individual on this forum , But I am very dissapointed that with the depth of knowledge that some profess to have,and the amount of "advertising" that goes on about a dog fit for purpose,a show dog that can "really work" and a club willing to put an opportunity your way to achieving a genuine working qualification,NONE of you have enquired about the event,how sad and dissapointing it all is,especially when folk with other working breeds that do show have already booked their applications with us.
I am the very proud owner of 2 GSD both bitches both HOT, 1 is sch3 (showline) the other HOT (working line)going for sch1 in a couple of months time, I love both my girls dearly  warts and all,BOTH are fine examples of a GSD fit for purpose,
I can only summise that from the lack of interest from some quarters, that either the breeders or owners of these "fit for purpose" dogs are not capable of cycling 12.5 miles and doing a short obedience routine,or there dogs are not up to it,because sureley not all of you are busy on june 20th.
For those of you that are GENUINELEY interested in attaining a real working qualification on your dog ,please visit the GSDL-WDG website for details,
And for those that wish to continue to talk the talk,I apologise for wasting your valuable time.

Karsky, with arthritis of the spine I am certainly not fit enough to cycle 12.5miles, I would consider myself lucky to manage  2miles. I didnt bother to enquire because I do not have anything ready to take BH, perhaps if the GSDL club advertised where we could regulary come to train for these things perhaps next time there will be people with dogs ready to take the BH test but advertising the test before the training is a little like putting the cart before the horse dont you think.? 

I thought as much when I first saw this advertised but didnt say anything at the time because i was just pleased an event had been put on and made open by advertising for anyone who wanted to attend, take part. However, since you have come on here to have a go at everybody who hasnt taken you up on the offer, I just thought a response was required. So now we are all waiting for the invitation to come and join you in training and look forward to you posting the details of training dates and venue,  I am certain you will get responses to that.

Regards
Sue

Actually, if anyone else wants to comment on this could they please start a relevant thread as it seems unfair on the owners of Lesko to keep this thread going with things that has nothing to do with him or Crufts. Thanks

Sue B

There are around 30 specialist clubs under the GSDL or BAGSD banner offering SCH/BH qualification trials in the uk the distribution of those fairly country wide, all the details are available throught the websites below

http://www.gsdleague-workingbranch.com/

http://vpguk.com/

In addition to that the BH rules/routine are available on the web and as it is a simple obedience routine and a socialisation test all of the Breed training clubs could/should offer this as a service to the GSD enthusiast

In reply to Sue B
Like I said in my post I was not having a go at ANY INDIVIDUAL least of all you.
I said I was dissapointed with the lack of response from some quarters of the GSD community,and yes in particular the forum members on here that are keen to sell dogs "fit for purpose".that have not or will not "work" their dogs no matter what.
YOU DONT NEED A GSDL OR A BAGSD CLUB TO CYCLE A BIKE.

but you do need a committment to train,or get your dogs trained if you wish to title your dogs.

The offer is still there as I hope some of you would want to and be able to title your dogs on UK soil,under a WUSV recognised UK judge.IMO an open offer for anyone thats interested.
 I believe its an opportunity worth taking,not turning your nose up at ,then having a snipe because you cant get into a club.
an excuse I hear far to often.

Ime sorry you appear to have took my post personally Sue,it was not intended to start an argument,but to try and encourage a few forum members into taking a genuine qualification,