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by Sue B on 12 March 2009 - 23:03
Sharon,
You are a marvel for putting your hands up but I know it was not at all an error on your part. Both were placed on the Nov 08 BC meeting, voted upon and passed, however the meeting was poorly attended and these proposals had not been previously presented to the surveyors. I understand at a recent surveyors meeting this was rectified and common sense prevailed re the unworkable timescale for elbows with the all but useless DNA test rejected outright. So dont be so quick to take the blame girl, you do a good job with these things and others on your website and arguably having followed Nov08 BC minutes you had not made a mistake. Bless.
Best Regards
Sue
by Sue B on 13 March 2009 - 00:03
Langhar,
Q - If both parents have 'a' normal elbows but their union when put together produce offspring with elbow problem do you stop breeding from one or both of these parents?
Q - If one parent is without a suitable elbow score but is mated to one with a score of 'a' normal elbows and their union produces offspring with 'a' normal elbows do you keep breeding from the parent without a suitable elbow score or not?
Q - If your low Hip ./ Elbow scored Shepherd produces high hip / elbow scores do you continue to breed from it again or not?
Q- Meanwhile if the Shepherd of a fellow enthusiast with a higher than average hip score and failed elbow score is found to consistantly produce low hip scores and mostly good elbows, should they keep breeding from it or not?
With livestock as in life one learns that not everything is that simple. If Champions were the only dogs to produce Champions and having a healthy dog with longevity meant it would only produce healthy long living progeny then breeding would be simple and your idea of things totally rational. Unfortunately life is never that simple and with the best will and best livestock in the world neither is breeding. I wonder if your answeres to the questions equal mine and those of our geneticist.
Best Regards
Sue
Q - If both parents have 'a' normal elbows but their union when put together produce offspring with elbow problem do you stop breeding from one or both of these parents?
Q - If one parent is without a suitable elbow score but is mated to one with a score of 'a' normal elbows and their union produces offspring with 'a' normal elbows do you keep breeding from the parent without a suitable elbow score or not?
Q - If your low Hip ./ Elbow scored Shepherd produces high hip / elbow scores do you continue to breed from it again or not?
Q- Meanwhile if the Shepherd of a fellow enthusiast with a higher than average hip score and failed elbow score is found to consistantly produce low hip scores and mostly good elbows, should they keep breeding from it or not?
With livestock as in life one learns that not everything is that simple. If Champions were the only dogs to produce Champions and having a healthy dog with longevity meant it would only produce healthy long living progeny then breeding would be simple and your idea of things totally rational. Unfortunately life is never that simple and with the best will and best livestock in the world neither is breeding. I wonder if your answeres to the questions equal mine and those of our geneticist.
Best Regards
Sue
by Videx on 13 March 2009 - 02:03
Perhaps this LINK may explain why the DNA test, which was discussed and agreed at the November 2008 Breed Council, was dropped so quickly by the subsequent breed surveyors meeting. (note the dates of the emails)
Potential DNA parentage test - UK
http://www.videxgsd.com/dna_tests__aht__uk.htm
with
DOWNLOAD & PRINT FACILITY
I have started a NEW THREAD on this subject
HERE
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/282472.html
Potential DNA parentage test - UK
http://www.videxgsd.com/dna_tests__aht__uk.htm
with
DOWNLOAD & PRINT FACILITY
I have started a NEW THREAD on this subject
HERE
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/282472.html
by reason on 13 March 2009 - 13:03
The thread title is SV system in UK but the talk is of Breed survey, on consideration it is NOT a breed survey it is a health test and CONFIRMATION survey, the present survey makes no attempt to SURVEY the BREED CHARACTERISTICS only the health test and conformation,maybe the title of the survey needs changing or the Breed Council ADD the rest of the requirements of the BREED to the survey
by Videx on 13 March 2009 - 15:03
Patience with Progress is required or we will have fewer and fewer having their dogs surveyed.
by Videx on 13 March 2009 - 21:03
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by funky munky on 14 March 2009 - 08:03
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