Shiloh Dogs(beware you may not like this) Dont read if your not happy with your life. - Page 1

I was wondering about these shiloh dogs,  I read a bit about them.  But there is one thing im not clear on, is it a GSD?
can they be registerd as an akc GSD, i was wondering because my male gsd, has a lot of the same charecteristics. He is nearly weighs about 97lbs, and has some what of a long coat, and it is real thick boned and tall, he is really intellegent, im not a trainer, but you couldnt tell with the dog, he acts like he has been in training his whole life,  he know english and does almost everything i tell him to do. But he doesnt have alot of drive, meaning he is really laid back, he never gets real excited like my other gsd. He is Akc registerd, just wondering if he might be a shiloh. His picture is up,  he is four years old

Ok you guys, i dont see where yall think that i agree with hybrid dogs, i my self think, the labradoodles, and maltypoo's and what ever else they have going on, is stupid. I , i have a 5 year old and two  2 year old gsd, and am just now starting to relize after owning them their whole lives, that although they are wonderful pets, I got shanked on what I was really looking for. Yes i did read the forum, and that was the first i had ever heard of a shilo shepherd, i read what i could find on google about them, and started thinking that mabe my shepherd was one of these things and asked yall, the so called experts what yall thought about my shepherd, being a shiloh. If ya'll so called experts cared about the gsd breed so much when you see people ask questions, you should just answer them rather than attack them with stupid smart ass comments. There are no stupid questions, every one is an idiot about something, even you reading this, you can only change  the fact that your an idiot, by taking interest, asking questions, and learning about it.  For shiloh dogs, not striking your interest, alot of people have been reading my post, and leaving stupid comments. You tell me who is who is the idiot. If you dont want to read about shiloh's dont read my post, I put shiloh dog in the topic, i didnt trick you into reading this. You people are not helpful! yall are just bored and insecure and like bust your nuts by attacking people . Get a life!

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/584649.html 

Shilohs are NOT gsds. They are a mix of breds, including gsds and Malamutes that was created by a woman named Tina Barber. Hopefully, the shiloh lovers will contact you via pm, rather than yet again filling this gsd forum with non-gsd posts. You can pm a woman named Sunsilver (Go to the "Opinions about this Pup, Please" thread and click on her name to send a PM).

Shilohs cannot be registered with the AKC.  The creator of the breed has even tried to place a "trademark" on the term "Shiloh Shepherd."  While she and her followers claim the breed name is trademarked, a court ruling in the late 90s denied her claim.

The AKC does still have some Shiloh dogs in its registry, I think, because other people bought Barber's dogs in good faith and bred from them.  It isn't something I'd go looking for in the next dog, because you don't have a clue what might be in there, and the trend seems to be fading out as word spreads about the iffiness. 

Yep, I'm here continuing to spread the word.  I have a Shiloh-descent shepherd-thing myself, a rescue, and she's a perfectly decent animal if you don't mind the tail-chasing and neurotic moments.  And the weird coat.  And the odd opinions at random moments.  It's hard to place what about her isn't shepherdy, but she isn't quite.  And she came with copies of her parents' apparently-AKC papers.  Apparently Tina was kicked out (she was also awarding AKC titles without the certifications or the performance) but not all the associated bloodlines.

Sniffydog what are you talking about Tina was kicked out ?? out of what .She removed her dogs from the AkC when she decided to mix them with what ever she wanted them to become . The old (AKC Shiloh) named shepherds are true 100 percent German shepherds . She removed the mix and herself from AKC. To list her as dishonest Without (titles or certifications)is to say the least uncalled for . If she chooses to breed mixes that is her business .She dose not claim her mixes are Pure German shepherds .She declares them as her own thought out breed .Whether we like it or not ,it is what it is .

Okay, the story I have (and again, it seems to predate anything that anyone's bothered to upload to the internet...  argh! but the person I have it from claimed to have been present) was that Tina Barber hosted an event where she was awarding AKC obedience titles without a license to judge AKC obedience, was not upholding the three-judge, three-Q standard to do so, and did not follow the guidelines for the required exercises.  Dogs from her breeding program were getting CD's for walking on lead and CDX's for walking off lead, or something like that.  This would be the sort of thing the AKC takes a dim view of and this would have been around the time she "left" the AKC, or as another source put it, "the Shiloh Shepherd was removed (note passive voice and lack of attribution here) from the AKC registry."  Since everything that says Tina Barber left of her own free will is authored by Tina Barber or quotes her, and the AKC records seem to only go back about ten years online while this was rather longer ago, I'm inclined to believe my eyewitness but you don't have to.  Alas, my source has refused to write memoirsand other history "to protect the guilty."  Thus the above is rendered gossip, though gossip with an ear for human nature as best I understand it.

A good thorough set of searches leads me to the conclusion that the people who care about the Shiloh Shepherd, its multiple registries, and its intriguing pedigrees are the Shiloh people and not much of anyone else -- certainly not GSD people unless their lines have been shuffled into a Shiloh pedigree -- so I'll suggest we let this thread die.  It's impossible to unearth unbiased information, and the bias is all pro-Barber (in that interesting way that seems to feel the world is against it, when in fact the world appears to be yawning hugely and going about its business).  I would be interested to know, though, if, when the GSD was first set as a breed, there were that many splinter lines that early on and for similar reasons.  Obviously you'd need non-founder sources for that, too.

Of course, if someone actually has access to the AKC actual-paper archives and wants to go digging, I'd be happy to hear the results.  I don't live anywhere near them and have no travel money.  As official documents, they'd be the least-biased source of information available short of DNA-screening the dogs from before the official split -- the ones registered as pure GSD.  If they're mixes, then there's not much support for Tina Barber's general honesty from that point on.  If they are pure GSD, then there's a better case for her deliberate departure, aside from above-mentioned story of obedience trials.  Anyone have any early-Shiloh cheek swabs in their freezer?  My own supposed-Shiloh-descent has too many generations of question mark for her to be any use in the project.

If you do reply, remember that "U suk go hom" is not a rebuttal in the German philosophical tradition.

I think we could have done with out the last "Not a rebuttal' philosophical thing . After all this is a German shepherd forum , Not just limited to German West working, East working West show lines  or any German lines in between . That would include American lines and the AKC shiloh lines . So can we be polite please ?

 The Shiloh is NOT an AKC breed. And the Shiloh is not a GSD and ergo, most people here are not interested in all the baloney a few want to write about extolling the great qualities of their Shiloh. They make good pets and so do rocks and slugs for some.