Who are our new USA Sieger + Siegerin? - Page 11

Rik,

Let's  just say that there is a "working" line  dog in the PNW that scored a 100 one week. The very next week got a 280 from a fluffy bunny judge..........guess whose dog?......it is true that it was not a midnite trial...........just a high noon trial............regarding "character" ........YOU NAILED IT!!!!

There are only good dogs and bad dogs regardless of their coat / confirmation.........PEROID!!!!!!!


RPK

I don't think anyone on this board disagrees with the fact that good conformation and working abilities are important.   BUT due to politics, pride, and who knows what else, agreeing on what good conformation and working abilities are,  is where the road makes a V and becomes two, and those two roads will never meet, IMHO.

yes Red Sable that is true.

but I thought that was why we had a standard, and judges that were supposed to give unbiased opinions on the dogs shown to them. 

alot of issue's have stemmed from the performance section of the sieger shows, not from the conformation of the dogs.  What is the big deal requiring more of the dogs during the performance test?  I have been told that the USA is slowing adding more pressure to the dogs with every year,  but baby steps is only making progress slower.  these males who were merely "passed" are breeding, and are producing alot of puppies.  "passing" on the lesser than desired performace temperament to future generations. 

maybe it is lack of training, but if you have a poor trained dog, don't show him.  because most people do not judge you by your best day, but your worst.  fact of life.   How do we differeniate poor training from lack of drives or poor working temperament?

maybe the problem could be corrected by having a panel of judges,  and the scores or show placings could be determined by the avg. or the 3 judges scores.

Uber Land,

I'm afraid that your reasoning is seriously flawed. To conclude that an excellent performance test reflects that ability to produce good nerves and working ability may be a non-sequitur.  Otherwise, how can one explain the excellent bitework of Quizno (a Teejay son) or April Blauen Bergen (a Ronaldo daughter)?

IMO, the performance tests in Chicago were a 100% improvement over those seen in San Jose in 2008. In fact, they were proportionally superior to what is seen in the German Sieger Show--JMHO. This improvement reflects greater dedication and pride in ownership and training from some of the larger breeders (including, but not limited to, Wilhendorf, Mittelwest, and Wustenberger-Land). Seeing this improvement makes me proud to be an owner of show line dogs. I commend the breeders, owners, and trainers for rising to the occasion!!

If anything, some of the handlers took this challenge for greater obedience and control too seriously--to this extent that they went overboard--often to the detriment some of the dogs.

We must breed to the total dog--not to performance tests or VA ratings--and make our selection according to what the each bitch brings to the breeding table.

I have to disagree on the improvement, Louise. Over half of a respectably sized class of females failed, I don't recall seeing that low of a pass rate in any other SS I have attended.

Your statistics appear to be skewed.

16 bitches passed bitework and were shown in their class. 11 bitches were rated sufficient or insufficient and did not proceed to the gaiting. The remainder of the class consisted of no shows or were pulled.

I will agree that the bitch bitework was inferior to that of the males--not unusual.

1.45 as many bitches passed with pronounced ratings over those who failed (sufficient or insufficient).

"I have to disagree on the improvement, Louise. Over half of a respectably sized class of females failed,"

Maybe they would've been passed in San Jose in 2008....so maybe it was an improvement in the standard.