Who are our new USA Sieger + Siegerin? - Page 7

Maren,

There is no doubt that this dog has had quite a few bad handlers/trainers and Steve House was also one of his trainers and handlers. All I am going to say is at the Chicago show this dog was not a VA quality dog period let alone VA8. 

As far as "why would someone sell a dog like this one" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I am a bit surprised you asked that question.

Denise

Denise,

As I stated above, I was not there in Chicago. No big secret. I was not commenting on his performance there, only saying that I had no doubt he did crawl to the helper. My comment was regarding the dog himself, which I do in fact the ability to comment on, since I have seen him being worked very inconsistently over the past two yrs. I also stated that he has heart, which is undeniable to anyone who knows him. My point was that his performance is not a reflection of his courage. A very nice dog with not enough consistent quality training and preparation for this event. It is very unfortunate that he was shown this way, as it obviously leaves a very bad impression on those spectators who do not know the dog and go on what they see at the show. It was a complete disservice to a very nice dog.
I have no interest whatsoever in pissing matches or trashing on this board.

Theresa

You know, EVERY dog in every show and trial is judged by the judge and spectators on what the dog displays on the field on any given day. That is the same for Ronaldo, as it is for every other dog that is, has been, or will be shown or trialed. Just a point of clarification: Wasn't Shelley's first contact with the dog after LAST YEAR'S SS? Further, supposedly she only had him for a few (?) months and sent him back to his owner. If that's correct, I don't see how she is to be blamed for his performance this year, or in Germany ( perhaps before she ever heard his name), or at the Canadian Sieger Show in 2005, when he first went VA with a less than stellar performance. I say thiis as a person who owes Shelley a slap upside- the- head regarding a certain photog and the 98 SS. :-)

Woudn't requiring a trail to qualify for the Sieger Show be similar to the requirments of crowning the Universal Sieger/Siegrin?  I do understand that that requires competing in the Nationals in Nov. of the same year following the SS.

Doing or requiring this is an interesting concept.  However, the board would look at the following:

How would it effect entries, and income from the show
How would it effect the Universal Sieger competition, more entries??
How would the SL membership respond, focus on the WDA show and forget USA or re-affirm the training in the dogs??

Personally, I think it would backfire.

While I do agree whole heartedly that the Sieger should also reflect the high standards of working ability, requiring a trail performance would interfer with too many other variables of importance to USA.  Perhaps publishing the Sch 3 score as well as the title and where/when it was earned in the catalog could hold some clout?

It would be great to see bith lines competing on both fields as a whole, bury the hatchates and help each other succeed.  Have the membership and judges become color blind and give the dogs there due, after all if we are not in this for ALL of the dogs, we are in this for the wrong reasons.

Charlene, I understand that entries would suffer--exhibitors would simply go to the NASS, where the dog's working ability would not have to be demonstrated. I also notice that WDA's policies and rules are becoming more and more like USA's. :-) The point of a USA trial is to add credibility. Personally, adding the score from a German Midnight Trial does not do it. Frankly, it would probably do nothing but reinforce the perception of those Sch 3 titles being phony, as the scores are grossly inflated from a trial no one saw (hence the moniker, "Midnight Trial.") Are people really so unsure of their Sch 3 titled dog being able to perform credibly in a USA-sanctioned trial as a Sch 1 entry? I know, I know, Bruno the Great VA has nothing to prove, he already has a Sch 3, he is too valuable to risk in a trial, etc., etc., etc. I have heard it ad nauseum. At the very least, working line dogs are shown and surveyed, if only because their are so many clubs, like OG Buckeye, with Breeders' Codes that prohibit breeding gsds that are not titled and surveyed. I just think it is too bad that show folks who have properly-trained showline dogs with "the right stuff" don't show case them.

Charlene, Doesn't WDA now require that dogs MUST show in a WDA show in the year prior to the NASS to be eligible for VA? Doesn't that merely level the playing field for USA-bred dogs? Do you expect that to affect the entry numbers? Doesn't anything that constitutes another prerequisite affect entries?

This is just UNbelievable -- I haven't been reading the Forum for a couple of days; but, it is just like a bad "Soap Opera" it was like I never signed off.  The SAME disgruntled people still spewing their envious words and put-downs about the VA's.  How old are you folks?  Not very mature for sure.   Is your nose pressed up against the "WINNERS" window, but YOU/Your Dog can't come in?   Get a life.....when  I see the posts (and you know WHO You are),  all I see is BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

With all due respect maggie,  I don't think envy has anything to do with comments.

Alot of the people posting know good bite work and are speaking from a deep love for the breed, not from jealously, far from it.

...and that is Your opinion.   I stated mine and that is what I have seen on this Forum for days on end.   Some continue their obsessive bashing of Ronaldo's crawling....since he came in VA8, what were VA 9, 10, and 11 doing - tip-toeing?   As "some" posters are sooooo concerned (clears throat), why not contact Randy Brent about it and stop bashing his dog on this Forum.   The Feeding Frenzy on this forum demonstrates VOLUMES about the character of the people behind the posts.