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John,

Those on the Left like to claim that we were a united country after 9/11, until Bush ruined it all by removing the terror enabler Saddam Hussein from power. In fact, the first "anti-war" rally was held just days after 9/11 in New York City, sponsored by ANSWER -- funded in part by Saddam Hussein's money. Meanwhile, President Bush stated, "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated." He promised us that "From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."

What you will not see on Kos........

http://www.hudson.org/files/publications/murdocksaddamarticle.pdf


BTW...........If George Washington was still alive he would have said that it was Clinton that let Bin Laden slip through his hands...............among other things...........just sayin ;)

RPK

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So here's a handy little quiz for you. Below are just 21 statements made before Saddam's overthrow by US government and other officials about his weapons of mass destruction. Can you pick out which statements were deliberate lies, and which were merely based on faulty information (as the "Bush Lied!" crowd claims any statements by Democrats must have been)? Who said the following?

1. "Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."

2. "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs."

3. "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

4. "One bottleneck for Tabun production is the availability of precursors. Iraq may have retained up to 191 tonnes of NaCN [potassium cyanide] and up to 140 tonnes of DMA.HCl [dimethylamine hydrochloride]."

5. "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."

6. "In total, at least 300 to 350 R-400 and R-400A bombs remained unaccounted for by UNSCOM."

7. "We know that he has stored nuclear supplies, secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

8. "We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas. Saddam Hussein also has experience in using chemical weapons. He has ordered chemical attacks on Iran, and on more than forty villages in his own country."

9. "We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."

10. "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

11. "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including Al-Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

12. "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."

13. "A document submitted by Iraq in February 2003 outlining the production of Clostridium perfringens [gas gangrene], did not add any detail to previous Iraqi declarations. No evidence to support the declared destruction of the agent was provided."

14. "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

15. "There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."

16. "Based on its estimate of the amounts of various types of media unaccounted for, UNSCOM estimated that the quantities of additional undeclared agent that potentially could have been produced were: 3,000 - 11,000 litres of botulinum toxin, 6,000 - 16,000 litres of anthrax, up to 5,600 litres of Clostridium perfringens, and a significant quantity of an unknown bacterial agent."

17. "This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."

18. "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

19. "(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"

20. "There are 550 Mustard filled shells and up to 450 mustard filled aerial bombs unaccounted for since 1998. The mustard filled shells account for a couple of tonnes of agent while the aerial bombs account for approximately 70 tonnes."

21. "I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."

Ready for the answers? Some of them may surprise you.

RPK,

I agree with you, but we were lied to. Clinton lied and was punished. I just think that Bush should be as well.


MaggieMae,

Yes, my brothers enlisted, but my cousin was out. Learn the rules of Military life. The government can and did recall people that their term was up. People that were out of the military and enjoying there families were called back. Countless of retired and "term up" had to re-cap and bare arms again.

MaggieMae,  what was your MOS?

Tell me how many soldiers are getting fair treatment when they return back to the states. Tell me how Bush or anyone has helped them get fair medical treatment, pensions, medals earned...etc......

1. Senator John Kerry (D-MA), 23 January 2003
2. French President Jacques Chirac, 16 October 2002
3. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, 1 February 1998
4. The United Nations (UNMOVIC), 6 March 2003
5. President Bill Clinton, 17 February 1998
6. The United Nations (UNMOVIC), 6 March 2003
7. Al Gore, 23 September 2002
8. President George W. Bush, 7 October 2002
9. Senator Carl Levin (D-MI), 19 September 2002
10. Al Gore, 23 September 2002
11. Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), 10 October 2002
12. Senator John Edwards (D-NC), 10 October 2002
13. The United Nations (UNMOVIC), 6 March 2003
14. Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA), 27 September 2002
15. Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), 10 October 2002
16. The United Nations (UNMOVIC), 6 March 2003
17. Letter signed by Senator Bob Graham (D-FL), Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT), Congressman Harold Ford (D-TN), Congressman Tom Lantos (D-CA) and others, 6 December 2001
18. Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA), 27 September 2002
19. National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, 18 February 1998
20. The United Nations (UNMOVIC), 6 March 2003
21. Senator John Edwards (D-NC), 24 February 2002

RPK,

We can quiz each other all day long, I have always repected your views. But in all honesty, did  or did not Bush lie to us?

If he did he had help............

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” –Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” –Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton, signed by: — Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” Letter to President Bush, Signed by: — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

RPK