I could have got him off with a simple break stick - Page 4

Oh, Anika, your dogs are the even rarer and far more valuable BLACK Greater Alsatian Sheepherders. Newbie, if one of those little rats ever bites your GSD, I'll lend you one of my Malamutes to even the score LOL. They are the terminators of the dog world LOL. Seriously, breed profiling is becoming a very big problem for dog owners. GSD's are somewhere in the top 4 of dogs most likely to bite and cause severe injury, Malamutes are number 5. These statistics are gathered using reported dog bites and the breed of dog as identified by the person bitten. As we know, most cannot tell a Dobe from a GSD or a Sibe from a Malamute from a goat, so the stats are really skewed. I suspect many of the Malamute bites are inflicted in the process of breaking up dog fights. We dog owners truly are at the mercy of the insurance industry and their very influential Washington, DC lobbyists. Dog owners like those on this board really need to pay attention to the newly proposed "PAWS legislation" too. Although initially most hobby breeder will be exempted if they breed for resale less that 7 litters OR less than 26 puppies per year, the concern of most I know is where it will lead in the future and many resent big brother's presence in the dog breeding world.

lol yeah amazing when folks argue about what your dog is or isnt have had same trouble a woman just absolutly demanded I remove my pit bull from a public park hiking trail because children visit and she saw on the news a dog that was called a pit bull but the picture showed a dog like mine that mauled and killed. and further screamed at me that one day my sons would be killed in my home by my dog who treated my sons like they were her sole purpose in life. Such ignorance is unbelievable!! one has nipped at my girl she immediatly placed her jaws around its skull and held it till was good and slobbered and off balance then released it with a big toothy grin thanks for the offer though Blitzen it would have to be a last resort knowing you your malamutes are probably to die for and that is my eldest sons dream breed youd never get it back from him and I dont want that to happen lol!! I am truly afraid one thing that PAWS legistration will accidently do is boost prices on good litters and breeders and then byb will begin selling more without papers in a bigger puppy market they just wont register the litters cutting the costs as usual and then only heavens know what the will happen to the breeds? anyone have thoughts on that?

Forgive my ignorance.....please elaborate on the PAWS legislation. I have been out of the loop for awhile. Thanks!

Thank you, Blitzen. I'll have to try that maybe it will get the people off my back that complain because I have unneuterd males. I think that the ones that think they are wolf will just think it is a fancy name for wolf. I can understand your worry about over legistation, were do you draw the line. It will really hit importers. But I also see the need to control puppy mills and con artist dog brokers. A broker close to me will buy unregistered pups and sell them as registered(?), at top prices. GSDNewbie- Did you mean puppy mills or back yard breeder, who breeds fluffy because she is cute> The puppy mill GSD breeders around here sell for well bred pup prices, stating they are from schutzhund dogs, Yeah four or five generations back. A friend of mine rescued two white standard poodles. Because of mats and sores she had to completly clip them. I was with her one day when a lady asked her what breed they were. When my friend said they were poodles, the lady started yelling at her that they couldn't be poodles and had to be some type of pointer. Boy are we way off of breaking pit bulls off with a stick. Dog breed legislation- scary stuff. There are already too many states that say that 'dangerous' breeds can not go outside without a muzzle and four foot leash. Some go so far as to include the dog's own backyard. These laws won't stop the people that have the out of control dogs, they don't respect the leash laws now, which aren't enforced. Why would they respect any other law? I am curious though how people show and compete with GSDs in these states?

I mean puppy mills and people who buy puppy mill dogs and breed them too not knowing a thing about it other than cutting costs any way possible and putting a male and a female of same breed together to do nothing more than produce pet market pups. Anyone that breeds just to make whatever amount they can off pups without having a thought or posess knowlege of how to improve the breed as a whole. There are many people that just breed any purbreds without papers they can get their hands on already because its cheap they dont pay full price for the dogs or for pick of litter and make as much money breeding them as they can. Alot of these are also coming from people who buy pups purebred when they are oh so cute and decide they are too much trouble they never register the dog because they frankly dont care about it then they sell this 4-8 month old purbred with non registerable or no papers and people pick them up for a hundred bucks and breed the snot out of them from the next heat on charging minimal amounts for the pups and not giving shots or vetchecks or doing anything that cost money. This is a main problem in the states and this legilastion is not going to help that but I fear will make it even more so done? I have a problem with people breeding to just sell pets because they are in it for the money only and they will cut corners to keep profits up. I was completely disgusted here a neighbor paid 700 at the petstore for a shitzapoo bad enough paying purebred price for a mixed breed now it is costing them heavily in pocket and heart because it was byb bred and has liver failure! back home we got rid of pet store pup trade and I think i may have to take it up here too. Just moved up here and there are puppy mills everywhere it is horrific they even have community puppy sale auctions! ow if this legislation gets rid of this I am all for it!! take the profit out of the pet trade but make sure it does not open a worse condition like the situation stated above. nice to meet you anika I enjoy conversing with you! Yvonne

Hi Yvonne, I am enjoying this too. Is it okay to e-mail you direct? A friend of mine has been breeding GSDs for years, I had thought she was reputable. She had bee, recommending me to her clients for their pup's training. One day a couple with one of her bitchs asked me whether or not they should breed her. Well this girl was very sweet, but she had no drive, very submisive and had no mask and very little saddle. The closest Schutzund title was three generations away. The famliy was also a very busy one. So I explained to them all the time needed and the risks to their bitch. They at that time decided not to breed, and maybe spay. Within two days the breeder called me to tell me not to talk to her clients about spay/neuter since they are all supposed to be bred. It turns out that she sells almost all of her pups as show/breeding quality and in her contract the people are required to breed the dog at least once, to a dog that she chooses. They are also required to give her half the money from the first litter. Oh, she'll house and sell the litter for a commision. It doesn't matter to her about the dog's temperament, learning abilty or working ablity just that the dog has no disquaifying faults conformationaly. Needless to say we got into a good argument. She hasn't sent me any cleints since, which has hurt me financially, but I can not condone that type of breeding.

I am in process of changing my email addy. The one listed on my user name will be no good soon you may email me at rbtbrn@kuhncom.net anytime anika. I sympathathise money needs be made but each person has to live with the choices they make in how to make thier money! good for you inside, anika, that you do not make money off her bad breeder practices. The dogs come first with me too. oh will also have to keep an eye on my spam folder it like to gobble up emails like Blitzens lol so if you do not get a response from me after sending give a holler as I may just not have received it.

The video website dDecoy submitted was pretty funny, though completely pathetic, too. The dog needs to be PTS, and the woman needs serious counseling! I rather like pits myself, though I know for a fact that genetics has as much to do with a bad temperament as anything else, I've seen full APB littermates who were like bad/good reversals of each other. One is an outstanding dog, the other one is dangerous. Both raised from little puppies by the same family. dDecoy, how about the English-bred Staffordshire Bull Terriers? Not the American bred ones, (American Staffordshire Bull Terriers) but the little dogs called "Nanny dogs" over in England (because they are reputed to be so good with children)? Have any experience with them? They seem to have great temperaments. Perhaps they would be suitable for Schutzhund? The are athletic, stout, smart, small to medium sized dogs.

The cute little Staffy Bulls are a shorter stockier versions, but still down from the dogs that fought in the Pits in the Staffordshire Mines. Quite a few breeds have been referred to as Nanny Dogs, but in truth a well bred stable Pit is still a fantastic children's dog and family dog, although very few would agree with that statement. Proper Bloodlines, Pedigrees and standards are important for any breed to survive. In the old days any Pitbull that showed aggression towards a human was culled. Back in the day, one couldnt force a Pit to bite a human. That was a desired trait and needed because Pits had to be handled while in battle. A handler had to know the dogs would not bite the human under any circumstances. Decades later, due to extreme over breeding and media sensationalism, there are Pits and crosses out there attacking and killing humans, children as well as adults.. This is NOT a trait of the original Pitbull or their standard. Most any Shutzhund or French Ring Pit is of Staff blodlines. Even though the gameness has been bred out of these animals, I would still never allow a Staff or Pit to attack a human. I dont care if its sleeve or suit. This breed of dog is not genetically wired the same as others and OUT is not in their heritage. I realize there are French Ring and Sch degreed Staffs out there, but I dont condone it. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=10059

Thanks for the reply, that was informative. I love the little English bred Staffies I've met. Thanks to Terry1 for the translation too, of what was going on. I wondered about it...