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by steve1 on 22 July 2009 - 22:07

Some of you people cannot even do as the heading of the thread says you have to bring the soldier being mentioned down to the gutter level some of you are far from honuring him you are doing the opposite, You are a disgrace to your country
Steve

by jaggirl47 on 23 July 2009 - 00:07

Oh, I figured it was something you found. I should have made myself clearer. I laugh when I see that stuff, especially because Stephan King's comment how only illiterates join the Army. I'm used to it, though. I just always think it's funny and I do truly thank you for your support.

by jaggirl47 on 23 July 2009 - 00:07

Slamdunc,
Thanks for the post about Uglydog. I'm new on here but already "he's gonna get me and show me and blah blah blah". I laugh because he's an idiot. I don't take anyone like him seriously but it's fun to say stuff back because it annoys him.

Oh, yeah....I'm a shilly too according to him, whatever that may be.

by steve1 on 23 July 2009 - 16:07

You know Soldiers do not need or want gratitude from the public, all they want if they make it home is for people to say to them, Glad you are home and safe, that is enough they know then people thought about them whist they were away from home doing what they had to do
Steve,

by raymond on 23 July 2009 - 22:07

STEVE: I WILL ALWAYS RESPECT AND HONOR OUR SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN! I also expect them to be smart enough to know who the enemy is and what they are fighting for! They take an oath to uphold and defend the constitution from All enemies both foriegn and DOMESTIC! when those leaders become enemies of the constitution I expect the soldiers to defend us from them also! Example being in New Orleans during Katrina! American soldiers confiscated legally owned firearms from INNOCENT CITIZENS AT GUN POINT! That is a violation of the constitution! Support of troops engaged in a war that is legally wrong and instigated by lies and deciet is constitutionally wrong! I support my troops and expect them to be patriots first and loyal to the constitution before loyalty to a wicked leader! I am loyal to the constitution and not the president!

by steve1 on 23 July 2009 - 23:07

Raymond,
You i do not get at all, you tell everyone that you were a service man,
If you were a service man then you take orders from those above you Well we did in my time, Many things we did not like doing but they had to be done it mattered not if we liked it or not and if in a lot of cases you did not do it then you were dead as simple as that,
That is it You cannot go both ways taking orders just when it suits you and if you were a service man you know full well what i am talking about, any more i will not go into
So do not say one thing and mean another for it does not happen if you are a soldier, not then and i think it the same now

As for the other points you make then you should be running for president of the USA for you know more than they do it seems, and not only you but several others on this forum as well,
But you and the others are not in those Jobs, yet you spout off a lot, Now i wonder why you and the others here are not working in the Govenment seeing you know so much
If you were what a wonderful world we would all live in, debt free and live like Kings, no more Wars and peace everywhere
Then we would all wake UP
Steve

by Slamdunc on 23 July 2009 - 23:07

Hey Steve,
I agree with you; don't bother with Raymond or the others that are just trying to hijack another thread with their BS.

by raymond on 24 July 2009 - 00:07

Well steve allow me to give you an example of following orders as opposed to following the constitution! Those soldiers who were interrogating the prisoners at that prison in Irag that made the news headlines ! I can not remember the name of that prison so near to baghdad! Those soldiers were following orders given them by their superiors! Their superiors were given those orders by higher authorities! Now just because those soldiers followed orders does not justify the crimes they committed in carring out those orders yet they recieved the brunt of the punishment! Now those soldiers were following orders from superiors all the way up to the pentagon yet the service man is hung out to dry! Those things ( humiliation of muslum prisoners) were specifically directed to those servicemen and women by higher authorities be they military or (private contractors) ! I was a service man and because I do not condone following unethical orders does not make me not a veteran! so for all those who say AH he couldnot have been a service man because he does not act as we suppose he should is bs!Remember those unfortunate soldiers at Mie lia viet nam who were castigated for Just following orders! Oh yes al those Nazi,s who were just following orders! I cherish and honor all vets yet I want them to be fully aware that they do not have to JUST FOLLOW ORDERS! Exec officers on attak boats do not have to JUST FOLLOW ORDERS! iN THE HEAT OF COMBAT THOSE JUST FOLLOW ORDERS IS IRRELEVANT FOR IT IS KILL OR BE KILLED! Every worsd I said previous is true and I see no need for you to patronize me with slanderous innuindo! And since you live in belgium I find it difficult to understand how you can have an opinion of those who live in america and have fought for her! You do not live under our constitution and our birthing socialism has no immediate effect on you now does it?Allow me to reassure you that I served honorably for my country in the heat of combat and will continue to serve it as a constitutional patriot!

by steve1 on 24 July 2009 - 05:07

Raymond
I have spent only 5 years of my life in Belgium the rest where i was born in England UK except when i worked away from home for 6 years doing what you have done, and Yes, we all know what went on in Iraq, We have televisions over here you know, and as for being slanderous, i am stating facts of what goes on when a man is in service you follow orders like it or not you do it, Many things i did not want to do, but i and the lads did them it was orders, and i still think about those times more so when i come back to threads like this one, but i did my job and came back for that i am grateful to the ones in charge and to my mates who helped me survive, but you do love to push the fact that you saved peoples asses, not you or anyone else in service saved any asses, you did a job like any other Job the best way you could and you hoped your wits and instincts helped you out to get though that is all, I for one do not need to remember those days nothing really good came from it, it never does, but to me it was simply a job of work with a lot of risks that was all
As a so called born again Christian you have little humility that is for sure, I will not be drawn into any slanging match with anyone , but i will state what i think and that is it, and not you or anyone else will change what i think, my last on this post which after all was to honour a soldier nothing else so honour the man and let the politics go by
Steve

by raymond on 24 July 2009 - 12:07

Steve we all know that cliche of "just following orders " is a 60,s cop out as we used to say! I did not bring or intend on continuing to engage politics on this thread!I find that more often than not you and your fellow unbelievers are first in line to make a judgment when another does not agree with your worldly views! I suppose you have more humility than I now that you bring the matter up! I am not trying to bait you or anyone else! Your comment of my knowing so much and should run for president was uncalled for from you! As one who was adversely affected by the illegal bombing of your country by Nazi's I would think that the phrase "just following orders " would send you into orbit so to speak! Additionally your comment "if you were a service man" is equally disturbing to me! Allow me to reassure you one last time Steve! I respect and honor our service personnel and would never do anything to harm or disgrace them or the service they rendered to us! I however do uphold the laws governing war which should be run by military personnel with the intent to win the war and win it quickly! I hate the politicians who run the wars now for the soul purpose of lining the pockets of wicked politicians by the spent blood of my comrades in arms! The allies invaded Europe on 6-6-44 and war was over less than a year later and America can not whoop the butt of a small country such as Vietnam or Iraq and have approx. 10 years in each theater/ You tell me Steve what did all those brave British soldiers die for! 50 some thousand american soldiers died in viet nam and you tell me they died for what? Is Viet Nam a free non communist country ? Does the american flag fly over that country ?American soldiers are still in Japan ! Are they in Viet NAm? In 2010 Obama say american troops will be out of Iraq! I am concerned about those who fight and die for a lie! My oldest son was in saudia arabia during the first gulf war as a MARINE! You and no one else has any right to even consider telling me how to think or feel about this illegal conflict! You or anyone else has any right to even suggest how I should feel or comment about a war that was concieved in deciet and carried out illegally. Not to mention the 3 thousand innocent civilians who died in the WTC building attack which was engineered by higher authorities to provoke the american people to allow politicians to engage us in this oil war!

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