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by Prager on 04 September 2009 - 22:09
I do not see anything about her and the stud's hips or his ancestors hips. I would definitely check on that!!!!
HOWEVER!!!
I know the breeder of the Bitch Helena Melounova . Her husband Ota and I have imported the first Czech GSDs into USA. Unorthodoxly they believe that show dog should be foremost solid worker. I do see here typical Hartis breeding. The bitch is solid worker very level headed and with normal drive suitable for family. Bitch probably will produce 7 pups. Each pup of this quality will cost at least $1200. She could produce 2 litters or more. That would be $16800. She will also give you enjoyment for on average 6 years. You will be able to work with her and learn from her for about 2 maybe 3 years. I would price this female in a price range of $6000+S&H +- 1000. That is a fair price for titled bitch in whelp of this quality.
I do not know anything about the stud especially I would research his hips background.
The reason breeders sell the dog like this is because they got genetics in their progeny and enough money out of her and do not want her to get stuck in the kennel for rest of her life. To find a good home and make little more money is the motivation. Before you jump on my throat about breeding female this many times let's look at what Stephanitz believed and so do I and so do many other old time breeders. If the bitch is healthy, and strong, then breed her. That is her job as the mother nature wants it. Even breeding every heat is OK since then you will get smaller, stronger, and healthier litters. If you skip heats litters are bigger and sometimes too big and much more taxing on the bitch. That is an unintended consequence of politically correct, but by my meter wrong philosophy. However I do not critique severely any approach.
By the way Eurosport are my competition. Friendly, but competition. I would like to sell you my dog,but this is not a bad deal for the price I suggest. I would chck the hip stuff I have mentioned and if you like the dog buy it. Tell Eurosport "HI !" from me.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9com
by SitasMom on 04 September 2009 - 22:09
Hips and elbows are certified.....on both dogs..........will check into the pedigree........
Thanks for the information.
by malshep on 04 September 2009 - 23:09
I am just throwing these questions out to you to make sure you have everything in order for this big decision.
Always,
Cee
by malshep on 04 September 2009 - 23:09
She is a nice looking dog and you are right she has the experience that can help you, what does your trainer think.
Always,
Cee
by Bob McKown on 05 September 2009 - 00:09
Prager:
Breeding every heat is okay, ? Maybe okay for you but i don,t believe turning the female in to a walking welping box is Okay by a long shot, I think there is more greed involved there then common sense.
Mother nature has nothing to do with this, if this were mother nature these dogs would still be wolf,s and speaking of which wolfs don,t have litters every heat season.
I,m not looking for a fight here but a little common sense.
by RLHAR on 05 September 2009 - 03:09
Um that's what you're trainer and club is there for.
I took a 12 week old puppy, looked up the word Schutzhund, read about it and thought 'huh, that could be a good exercise for me'. Little did I know the world it was going to open up for me. I had no clue about the sport and my 12 week old puppy was my first GSD ever.
With hard work, a strong supportive club, a knowledgable and supportive training director I put the BH on her when she was exactly 15 months to the day, my first trial ever and then put a SchH I on her at 27 months tied for the highest SchH I score in the event. We're now working towards a Sch II.
Personally I wouldn't trade all the foundation work I went through with a puppy and a green dog for all the pre won titles in the world.
Good handlers can make up for flaws in dogs and get titles on them but that doesn't mean a novice is going to be able to go out there and do the same thing because the novice isn't going to completely understand how you get from point A to point C if they never had to work through it. If they don't understand those fundamentals, they can't properly handle the dog and if there is anything worse than struggling with a green dog, it's taking an experienced dog and having them go backwards under inept handling.
Dog sport should be humbling, it should teach you a lesson every time you walk out on the training field. The strength comes from the bond between yourself and your dog and how that bond helps you both grow past the challenges that come your way.
by SitasMom on 05 September 2009 - 03:09
BTW - Sita is doing well, she is focusing better and she is getting happy feed during heeling.......but only for a 5 or 10 steps at a time......Every day she does it for a little longer........Hero is still such a goofball puppy!
Everyone in the house is sooooooooo happy that I got rid of the parrots that I was baby sitting. The noise, the huge cage, the mess and all that dust! We have plenty of space for welping box and area for puppies to wander as they grow older. And every body know that "happiness is a warm puppy".
Prager - what nice dogs you have! Easy to navagate website too.......
by SitasMom on 05 September 2009 - 08:09
Wanesa Vlady-Sal, 27541 -
Číslo zápisu: 27541
RTG: A
Výstava: V
Skúšky: SVV1
Lars Vrhovdolski
CACIB, CAC, Vít.tř.
Barva srsti : černá-znaky
Zkoušky: IPO1 ZVV1
RTG : "B"
Výstavy : Výborný
Name Zwinger SZ-Nummer Zuchtwert
Mark Haus Beck 1669141 99
Name Zwinger SZ-Nummer Zuchtwert
Vopo Kirschental 1647505 99
Not much info out there......is info on pedigree papers?
by Prager on 05 September 2009 - 16:09
deleated messages was there 2x
by Prager on 05 September 2009 - 16:09
Bob McKown . No this is just an exchange of opinions. Not a war. Also anybody should do what ever they think is right after they hear all the sides of the story. This is my side. Take it or leave it.
You may want to reread my last entry. I do not care what breeders do. I am just saying what Max v Stephanitz said, several old time breeders in Germany and in Czech said and I tend to agree that breeding every heat is easier on the bitch if the bitch is healthy and well taken care of, then to breed her 2-3 times in a life.
Here mis a story. I and my friend, in my early days, were buying a pup from and old breeder in Germany with my friend and he said to the breeder that he will breed her no mere then 1x every other year. The breeder took the pup from my friends hands and said that he will not sell him the pup if he is not going to take care of it in such a way that he can breed her every heat. It took us some convincing to purchase the pup after that. True story.
I do not know how come it always come to that it is suggested that it is about greed. In my case it is definitely not. I assure you. If I would be greedy I would not breed dogs for living. I would work in convenience store for minimum wage instead.:) I think that Breeder who does not want to breed too often in order to have more pups in the litter is more greedy since it is inefficient economically to raise a litter of 4-5 pups then it is of 8 -12 pups and it taxes the bitch more. I tried it both way many times and I believe that breeding 2x and then skip one or breed every time or not less then every other time is better for the bitch then breed 1x every 2 years or less. If you breed only occasionally then the litters are 30% to 50% bigger a lot of times pups are still born, bitch struggles too much and may get injured in birth, pups may get breached more often pups get absorbed more often and the bitch may get sterile. Pups are small, and not as healthy and not as infection resistant, maybe due to lack of colostrum. If you breed more often bitch may have 4-5 strong pups who do not need to compete as much for nipples. Thus they are more resistant against infection and the bitch does not have as hard and exhausting time to give the birth and it is easier for her to produce enough milk.
Also IT IS ALL ABOUT NATURE. GSD is very natural dog.This is not a PUG I am talking about.
Anyway anybody can do what ever they want. I just like to show what I and some others believe and that PC believes may be wrong. Just something to think about .
Prager(Hans)
Alpinek9@yahoo.com
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