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by Mystere on 29 October 2009 - 18:10
Those are my two cents, please correct me if I understood anything wrong, as I still trying to understand the dynamics of the organizations."
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The SV has always recognized the titles under USA judges for breed surveys in the US. Also, eleven USA judges just became SV judges (see the USA website. I can also furnish you a copy of the letter from Henke on the matter--it's in German, though
). So, titles under those judges are the same as the SV titles people sought under SVF judges, such as Sergo, Thibidau (sp?), Vilms, etc. by sudlich on 29 October 2009 - 18:10
Johannes and Lyle are trying to say that a conflict of interest occurs because GSDCA does not breed to the SV standard and is, therefore, not interested in preserving the breed. I guess I have some fundamental questions:
Where is the USA code of ethics on breeding?
Why does USA not enforce a code of ethics? (even your most basic AKC breed organization does that!)
Why does USA allow people to advertise dogs for stud in their magazine that DO NOT meet the SV standard for breeding?
The answer: this is not about the breed – it is about who sends a team to the FCI and WUSV and the personal agenda of a few executive board members. It is not what is best for the membership and the organization. Don’t be fooled by the smell.
If they want to preserve the breed, kick out the people who are not breeding to the SV standard. Woops – can’t do that – there wouldn’t be enough members to have an organization!!!!
Rhonda Southern
by sueincc on 29 October 2009 - 18:10
AKC disqualifing faults:
Cropped or hanging ears.
Dogs with noses not predominantly black.
Undershot jaw.
Docked tail.
White dogs.
Any dog that attempts to bite the judge.
SV disqualifing faults:
a) Character weakness, nervous biters, and dogs with a weak nervous system;
b) Dogs with documented "severe hip dysplasia";
c) Monorchids and cryptorchids as well as dogs with testicles of visibly uneven size or shrunken testicles;
d) Dogs with disfiguring ears and/or tails;
e) Malformed dogs;
f) Tooth faults as follows:
1. Missing 1 #3 premolar and one additional tooth;
2. Missing 1 canine tooth or
3. Missing 1 #4 premolar, or
4. Missing 1 molar #1 or #2 or
5. Missing a total number of 3 teeth and/or more;
g) Dogs with bite faults: overbite of 2 mm or more, or undershot; level bite;
h) Dogs that measure more than 1 cm over or under regulation size;
i) Albinism;
j) White coat (incl. those with dark eyes and nails);
k) Long stock coat (long, soft loosely fitting outer coat with undercoat, flags on ears and legs, bushy pants and bushy tail with flag on underside);
l) Long coat (long, soft outer coat without undercoat). This coat type frequently is parted along the center line of the back, has flags on ears, legs, and tail.
by Bob McKown on 29 October 2009 - 19:10
Posted with authors permission:
From: jeff govednik <kindevog@yahoo.com>
Subject: its about the dogs and our sport
To: "usa gsd" <usa-gsd@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 1:20 PM
One thing i think that us being forgotten in this discussion is the dogs
For those of you who have dogs that they activity show and train what are peoples reaction when they meet them?
For me people are always surprised when being around dogs with a working temperament. They are surprised by the intelligence, working ability and temperament of our dogs. There is a reason for this it goes back to our breeding programs and working tests. How many people think that shepherds are nervy or is a good dog because it is 120 lbs. ? How many people ask you what breed of dog you have because they have NEVER seen a sable GSD?
I think the public in general has a wrong perception of what a German shepherd is in part because of the lack of breeding standards of the gsdca. In Europe there is a much more correct body of knowledge on what a working dog should be. Why is that?
For $60 dollars.... its a pretty good deal being a member of the USA.
You get the opportunity to participate in the largest number of trials on any schutzhund organization in the US.
You get a quality magazine that is worth at least $25 dollars a year and would probably be worth $30 dollars a year if I did not write for it.
Helper programs to teach proper technique for working dog in our sport and making our sport safe for everyone.
A judges program that is probably the most advanced in the United States and has been recognized worldwide. by both the WUSV and the FCI.
The GSDCA is really not in favor of us as an organization. If they would become the dominant force in Schutzhund in the United States would we have the same ability to participate in our sport especially at the club level? Or would our sport become more of a spectator sport?
There are many people who work very hard to make or organization what it is. Is it perfect no. I believe that if we want our sport to prosper in needs to be in the hands of those who appreciate it.
Just My thoughts
Jeff
by cledford on 29 October 2009 - 20:10
Anyone want to let the USA grass roots membership in on why it is appropriate to NOT officially publish such dramatic and reaching bylaw changes until AFTER the deadline for delegate letters to be received is? That such a backwards thing could occur (requiring cash strapped clubs to make decisions to send delegates and then comply with a very bureaucratic process BEFORE knowing what the issues being considered are) is very suspect to me.
Frankly, the whole “delegate letter” thing stinks to me, but the not publishing GBM agenda until after the deadline, well, I'd just love to hear the rational for it.
-Calvin
by Bob McKown on 29 October 2009 - 20:10
by Pat Relton on 29 October 2009 - 22:10
by cledford on 30 October 2009 - 01:10
While I've read the letter - I don't feel I have authority to cross post it. I will say that, in reading it, I was personally insulted by it. Statements made for why individuals might be opposed to the bylaw certainly don't fit me.
-Calvin
by sudlich on 30 October 2009 - 01:10
I find this interesting: For first time in my memory (I've been a USA member for about 15 years) they are not allowing late delegate letters. For as long as I can remember they have taken them at the door.
This year, the agenda was sent out at 10:00 pm. Delegate letters had to be in by midnight of the same night. There was no time for clubs to make plans to send a delegate. The delegate letter was pulled off the website before the next morning.
It is my understanding that this by-law change has the support of the executive committee. When it is time for a vote, each board member will represent a club. Therefore, it is to their advantage to not have many clubs represented. (They only need 20% of the clubs to make a quorum.)
All this is very scary because it appears that they do not want this vote to represent the wishes of the membership. It is being orchestrated and stacked against the member clubs. One has only to read these posts to see that 99% of the membership is against this!
Rhonda
by cledford on 30 October 2009 - 01:10
Rhonda,
Frankly, that is my biggest issue with the whole, unseemly matter. While I have no idea what the real intent or rationalization is behind such practices, I would expect that the organization would be bending over backwards to be inclusive to the voice of the membership. Heck, such effort is only to *cornerstone* of our nation! How such things as strict "delegate letter" processes, receivable deadlines, a backwards (to me) posting of agenda AFTER the voting registration process is over, to letters from the president, justifying such bylaws, that aren't distributed to the membership in a timely (like BEFORE the delegate letters are due, or agenda published) or shared inclusively (ie. published in the USA magazine, posted on the website, etc.) simply doesn't make sense to me. I'm an open -minded person and trying to see how this could happen, but am just not able to get it.
FWIW, the delegate letter deadline was an issue last year as well. Not sure about the years before that. I recall last year for sure because that was the year that the HOT championship was rolled in with the other large event - which was a contentious change as well.
-Calvin
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